Death Penalty for Bellfield

[Charlotte48]

Having watched Manhunt about the investigation into the evil paedophile; child killer; woman killer; woman abuser and beater, Levi Bellfield, I was just wondering if, after Brexit, we should restore the death penalty. Surely Bellfield should be executed.

@Helmet first again. 🙂

And very accommodating undoing all that hard googling and pasting.

You're a good internet citizen, Helmet.

I'm slow.

@Birdsgottafly

He was given 2 whole life tariffs. Not a life sentence..a whole life tariff! That means...a whole life. No parole, no nothing. Whole life. All of the rest of his life. The whole thing. Not part life, but whole life. Whole.

Never getting out, not never...ever.

Do you get it now?

Yes bring back the death penalty but only for those who get a whole life tariff where there is absolutely no doubt. Things have moved on since the olden days we have CCTV and DNA so not very likely that innocent people would die if there was strict criteria. I think no one doubts bellfield, moors murderers, Ian Huntley, mark bridger to name a few that I would press the button on.

The issue is that because of overcrowding, dangerous Prisoners are being put into Cat C open prisons, against the advice of psychiatrists.

We've just had a Peaodophile escape and manage to get into a classroom.

Bellfield had a lot of friends, who I don't believe didn't know what he had been up to. The Islam thing gets him time/space to worship and different food, as well as other stuff.

Yes bring back hanging, but only for child murderers like Stefan Kiszko and Sally Clark, and for terrorists like the Guildford Four

Oh please come back for the slam-dunk, op, where not only is he everything he's convicted of but now he's one of those Muslamics too (with or without a ray gun!). We can get our Brexit and send him off to Muslamaland if we can't have a public execution first.

@jimmyhill why only for child murders!? A childs life is no more valuable than any other innocent persons.

Things have moved on since the olden days we have CCTV and DNA so not very likely that innocent people would die if there was strict criteria.

Which is why no innocent people are ever executed in America ever and it's done such wonderful things to cut crime rates?

Frequency your very, very naive. Do you think think this will definitely not be challenged in the future?

Some of the UKs most notorious and vicious murderers are not on whole life sentences. Roy Whiting, Ian Huntley anyone? Fancy them living next to you?

Rosehip10 I don’t know any leave voters who follow UKIP or the odious Tommy Robinson. in fact I don’t know any leave voters who are racist, although I’m sure many are as are many remain voters.

I repeat I’m not comfortable with death penalty’s but I’m conflicted.

@IAmAllowedAnOpinion look up the cases I mentioned...

and for terrorists like the Guildford Four

Yes, and the Renault 5. Guilty as fuck!

Frequency your very, very naive. Do you think think this will definitely not be challenged in the future?

What, and if someone received the death penalty they wouldn't challenge it? Of course it will be challenged just like Hindley and Brady challenged theirs but it didn't do them any good did it?

It's naïve to believe an innocent person would never be executed and exonerated after death and it's fucking abhorrent to understand that *will^ happen and want the death penalty anyway.

If the death penalty was restored it's unlikely to be retroactive - so everyone's favourite serial killers mentioned on this thread wouldn't be affected anyway.

But don't let reason get in the way of a good batshit Brexit thread.

@Birdsgottafly you just showed a gross misunderstanding of sentencing and parole arrangements in your post, but hey you read about it in the mail or sun so it must the right!

No - life in prison should mean life in prison for offenders like Bellfield. We don't have to become uncivilised state sanctioned murderers to keep people safe.

It is not true that you cannot enact retrospective legislation in the UK. The War Crimes Act 1991. It is not technically true that capital punishment was abolished in the UK in the 60s or that it was abolished before we joined the EEC, or that it was abolished on joining the ECHR. Capital punishment for murder was abolished in Northern Ireland in 1973. The 1965 Act, whilst partly entitled abolition of the death penalty, was a more a suspension, to be allowed to fall or not on future votes. The death penalty continued to exist for several crimes although yes not murder. Legislation further reduced the offences that could be punishable by death but up until somewhere around 2000 the ECHR still allowed us to execute people during war, and intriguingly, imminent War. Again, around 2004 we finally ratified an ECHR protocol that permanently removed the death penalty in all circumstances. Common pub quiz question for us oldies, what can you still get hanged for in the UK? Arson in Her Majesty's Dockyard!

If no moral argument convinces, the fact that it's wildly more expensive to put someone on death row than keep them for life in prison might?

Common pub quiz question for us oldies,what can you still get hanged for in the UK? Arson in Her Majesty's Dockyard!

Nope.

Thank goodness the UK has a representative democracy
and that the public get to vote directly on issues
only once every 45 years

I think if we've learnt anything from the Brexit shambles it's that the British people cannot be trusted to make decisions on important things like this. We're evolved, we're civilised, we don't kill for killing, two wrongs will never make a right. It's hard to believe sometimes but as humans, we are better than that.

@Tony2 Not sure what dodgy quiz question you have been given but the dockyard one was abolished in 1971

Frequency did you miss the bit where I said I wouldn’t support death sentences?

The problem is that very violent people are let out with no thought for their dead victims, their loved ones or quite frankly their future potential victims. That’s why I’m conflicted.

So tell me, are you happy with Ian Huntley living next to you or do you think he’s innocent?

If you don’t believe in the death penalty are you going to support whole of life sentences and I mean to the death?

Are we going to our source our prisoners abroad now?

I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was unlikely. Do you honestly think that if the death penalty was brought back all the people currently serving sentences for murder (including those with a few monthsleft of thier sentences (would be excecuted.) There would be a public outcry and we'd most likely be committing all sorts of human rights breaches.

You're wrong about the arson thing too