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To think that the uk is a hostile environment for the natives aswell as for immigrants nowadays?

445 replies

malificent7 · 08/01/2019 20:03

Well the government have succeeded in one thing; making the uk a hostile place to live for most people what with cuts. Brexit etc. Is it just me or do things feel... tense?

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gamerwidow · 10/01/2019 13:32

"anyone who objects to the Islamisation of entire towns is a racist."
Multicultural area does not equal Islamist Town.
There are no Islamist towns in the UK any more than there are Hindu towns or Jewish towns.
There are areas which have a larger proportion of certain ethnicities but they do not only have that ethnicity there and relationships between communities are not generally strained.
All areas follow the same laws as the rest of the UK there are no secret areas annexed off by different religions.

gamerwidow · 10/01/2019 13:36

Tan France of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. British, Muslim, Gay, Fabulous
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tan_France
HTH

KennDodd · 10/01/2019 16:53

@ElonMask

You clearly don't like Muslims, what do you think we should do, as a nation, about them?

KirstyAllsoppsFatterTwin · 10/01/2019 17:20

Give me an example of Muslims demanding countries change to be more like Islamic countries

Saying it’s their right to have halal slaughtered meat that hasn’t been stunned, which is not in line with our standards of welfare in the rest of the meat industry and in any other regular abattoir would be illegal.

This applies to Jews who keep kosher also, but they are not a group that is growing in number in the UK to anything like the degree that Muslims are.

It seems many Islamic free schools have fallen foul of Ofsted because of their insistence On concentrating on Arabic and Islamic study and ignoring much of the national curriculum.

Parents demanding changes to school uniform policies because they want their (sometimes very young) daughters to wear hijab and dress more ‘modestly’.

Pupils are withdrawn from certain PSHE lessons in mainstream schools (Sex Ed etc) and girls are frequently withdrawn from PE lessons in on the basis that the lessons are often mixed and seem like fun rather than education, therefore it’s haram. And they can’t/won’t wear the PE kit.

Some LEAs now use all halal foods in ALL school dinners because the Muslim pupils want halal. So rather than inconvenience Muslim pupils by not providing halal, or risk there being a cross contamination issue with both halal and non halal foods being prepared or served in the same area, it’s assumed that non-Muslims will be happy to eat the halal, or at least they’ll be in blissful ignorance of it.

This also applies to many fast food chains now. 1 in four Nando’s are halal. Subway has almost 200 halal outlets. It comes to something when chain restaurants feel they have to do meet that demand or risk losing out on business because the numbers of Muslims in British society has grown so much in recent years, and given the very high average birth rates will continue to do so exponentially over the next few generations.

Muslim women being allowed to wear hijab in British passport photos where no other form of headwear is allowed unless you can prove it’s a religious requirement.

Applies to Sikhs with turbans too. But if I as a non-Muslim woman wanted to wear any form of headwear other than something that looked obviously like a hijab I’d have the photo refused.

Many local authorities now run women only sessions at places like gyms and public pools, mainly to meet the demand from Muslim women. I don’t recall this being a very common or standard thing to do until around 5 or 10 years ago.

There are a few examples off the top of my head.

mirialis · 10/01/2019 17:20

You will never have a proper debate and convince ElonMask to even begin to think about things from another perspective unless you concede that there s/he has a point. Watch Stacey Dooley's programme about Luton, say (if you don't know who she is, she is certainly not a "right-winger"); of course it's mad think all/most Muslims in the UK are like that, that there are whole cities in the UK where women feel uncomfortable to walk down the street in "normal" clothing etc. but if you cannot even try to see where ElonMask is coming from and deny there is any issue here whatsoever, then you will not get people with this perspective to shift even an inch because you won't do so yourself.

Don't blame you if you can't be arsed though - ElonMask stated at the beginning of the thread that the "vast majority" of knife crime in the UK was carried out by black man. When I pointed out that this was not true it was skipped by with "your probably right BUT blah blah blah".

Poloshot · 10/01/2019 17:21

😂😂 how dramatic

jemihap · 10/01/2019 17:25

Britain is pretty much a hostile environment for anyone who isn't a banker, a CEO or pretty much anyone else who isn't in the wealthiest top 10% percent.

KirstyAllsoppsFatterTwin · 10/01/2019 19:39

‘You clearly don’t like Muslims, so what do you think we should, as a nation, about them?’

KenDodd I can’t take that sort of comment seriously. Surely you are intelligent enough to understand the difference between disliking Islamic doctrine and disliking Muslims?

Or maybe not.

goingonabearhunt1 · 11/01/2019 01:12

Homelessness seems to be growing, there's more and more ppl living in tents and begging in the city I live in.

KirstyAllsoppsFatterTwin · 11/01/2019 05:22

Yes gonna I agree it’s a huge problem. I’ve never seen anything like it before in the UK. Everything seems to have got rather out of control. There is a societal breakdown going on right in front of our eyes like a horrible slow motion car crash.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 09:14

The Halal meat point is false, 85% of Halal meat is killed in exactly the same way that all other meat in the UK is. Its funny that people don't object to Kosher meat in the same way though.

"It seems many Islamic free schools have fallen foul of Ofsted because of their insistence On concentrating on Arabic and Islamic study and ignoring much of the national curriculum."

There have been a few, but this is a small percentage of the total. Exceptionalism again.

"Parents demanding changes to school uniform policies because they want their (sometimes very young) daughters to wear hijab and dress more ‘modestly’"

Never heard of a school not allowing children to wear a hijab, and in fact they allow all other sorts of religious dress so why not this. Rubbish.

"Pupils are withdrawn from certain PSHE lessons in mainstream schools (Sex Ed etc)" Happens with lots of different children not just Muslims, exceptionalism.

"Muslim women being allowed to wear hijab in British passport photos where no other form of headwear is allowed unless you can prove it’s a religious requirement. " Except it is a religious requirement and they allow turbans and yarmulke too.

"Many local authorities now run women only sessions at places like gyms and public pools, mainly to meet the demand from Muslim women. I don’t recall this being a very common or standard thing to do until around 5 or 10 years ago. "

You have no evidence for this and actually women only sessions have been going on for decades. Otherwise why do you get them in areas that have extremely minimal muslim populations.

So in fact you are talking bigoted and prejudice clap trap.

You are Tommy Robinson and I claim my £5.

purplelila2 · 11/01/2019 18:31

@BorisBogtrotter
👍👏 100% agree

ElonMask · 17/01/2019 09:42

I would suggest getting into a debate with BorisBogtrotter is pointless Kirsty. If you point out dangerous or homophobic views etc, she will say they are "exceptional" citing no evidence other than her own feelings. If you cite evidence the views might not be that exceptional after all, she will switch to whataboutery e.g. fundamentalist Christians believe that too.

BorisBogtrotter · 17/01/2019 09:45

I wouldn't debate ElonMask, who takes exceptions and describes them as norms because of her prejudiced views.

badlydrawnperson · 17/01/2019 09:54

Feel sorry for asylum seekers: you're a lefty libtard snowflake communist remoaner; express concern at uncontrolled immigration: you're a fascist racist gammon brexshitter. It's very hostile and very ignorant.

^This x100

badlydrawnperson · 17/01/2019 10:01

ElonMask stated at the beginning of the thread that the "vast majority" of knife crime in the UK was carried out by black man. When I pointed out that this was not true it was skipped by with "your probably right BUT blah blah blah"

I can't find any evidence on this one way or the other. Where are the figures coming from?

scaryteacher · 17/01/2019 11:08

If you look at Erdogan for instance, the immigrant population effects the change from within '"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers".

There are areas in Brussels where I would choose not to go, such as Molenbeek and Anderlecht. Despite Belgian being an RC country, and thus not observing Ramamdan, this happened last year (roughly translated from the Flemish)

Saint-Josse-ten-Noode-

'The police and the public prosecutor's Office are looking for the culprit of heavy violence. The victim (39) drank a drink on the street during ramadan and that almost had to with his life. The man was in a coma for a time and now bears still the consequences of the heavy whacking. The facts are regarded as attempted murder.

The facts date back to Saturday May 20, 2018, about 20.00 hours. When 39-year-old victim was struck and severely damaged by another person. The heavy violence took place at the crossroads of the Bergopstraat and the Green Street in Saint-Josse-Ten-Noode.

The reason? The 39-year-old victim would have drunk a drink on the street during Ramadan. The man lay in a coma for a long time and still currently carries the heavy consequences of this attack. The offender lives as possible to the facts. '

2016 France: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/muslim-waitress-assaulted-in-french-riviera-for-serving-alcohol-on-first-day-of-holy-month-of-a7072581.html

You also only have to look at the events in Germany since Merkel threw the doors open; Cologne, the rape of small boys at swimming pools, the Berlin Christmas markets, a rise in rape attributed to the migrants.

Closer to home, one could surmise that the Rochdale sex scandal had something to do with the initial cultures (and perhaps religion) from whence the perpetrators sprang?

Why are sharia courts allowed to be used? If I were living in a Muslim country, I would be subject to the laws pertaining there. Why then are Sharia courts (or arbitration tribunals if you prefer) allowed? www.independent.co.uk/voices/sharia-law-uk-courts-muslim-women-rights-few-compared-islamic-countries-religious-rulings-quran-a8064796.html

BorisBogtrotter · 17/01/2019 12:44

"You also only have to look at the events in Germany since Merkel threw the doors open; Cologne, the rape of small boys at swimming pools, the Berlin Christmas markets, a rise in rape attributed to the migrants"

Cologne had about 2 refugees arrested out of the large number of men, Berlin Chritmas Market wasn't to do with Merkel either, he had arrived in Europe in 2015. So factually you are wrong there.

The other points you have no evidence for, get your news from something other than BrietBart eh?

BorisBogtrotter · 17/01/2019 12:45

"one could surmise that the Rochdale sex scandal had something to do with the initial cultures (and perhaps religion) from whence the perpetrators sprang?"

And you'd be wrong to do so, funnily enough when grooming gangs get busted and they are white Brits it doesn't attract as much attention.

BorisBogtrotter · 17/01/2019 12:53

How about: one could surmise that the Church sex scandal had something to do with the initial cultures (and perhaps religion) from whence the perpetrators sprang

Breakawaygirl · 17/01/2019 13:02

I personally agree.

I feel there is a prickle of tension especially on public transport. Lots of stares/glares. Witnessed a few completely unprovoked fights. Knife crime on the rise as ever.

My brothers girlfriend is half Indian and says she always gets horrible stares which she attributes to being mixed race. I said, it's funny, I get the same and I can't attribute it to my race. Just seems an anger/disconnect between people.

The happy ones seem to be the tourists.

almutasakieun · 17/01/2019 13:15

I predict mass rioting when the debt that UC is causing hits a lot of people in about 12 months time.

Breakawaygirl · 17/01/2019 13:15

I would be happier to live somewhere like New Zealand or Canada, but then everyone will just move there too and the same problems would continue!

Missymoo100 · 17/01/2019 13:31

I really think what is happening in the uk is the demise of Christianity.
Whether people like it or not it has been the basis of the uk’s moral, ethical and legal systems.
People sometimes pretend that our moral standards sprung up from nowhere.
What has happened is that Christianity has been replaced by hedonism, materialism and a culture of putting personal satisfaction first. Morality replaced by nihilism.
Well it’s causing the country to fall apart, and I think it’s growing more self evident by the day.