To think that the uk is a hostile environment for the natives aswell as for immigrants nowadays?

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Well the government have succeeded in one thing; making the uk a hostile place to live for most people what with cuts. Brexit etc. Is it just me or do things feel... tense?

52/48 isn’t a strong majority by any sane person’s reckoning, so why try to insult my intelligence by suggesting that I think so?

But it was a majority.

"If it's a straw man, then you are clearly saying it misrepresents you, meaning you would not be happy with the hypothetical Christians coming to your neighborhood, which seems somewhat inconsistent at best. "

Its a strawman because you are intentionally misrepresenting my argument because it is easier to defeat than an the real argument, which is of course that immigration from Islamic countries is not dangerous to the West.

However, Christians with similar attitudes are probably already in my neighbourhood, so it wouldn't bother me.

Ah bringing in Rotherham again, fail.

It was a slight majority.

You object to other groups of people being in the country, or coming to the country, despite the overwhelming ( more than 3/4) not agreeing with a certain thing you object to.

"we had no way of knowing these men would have such horrific attitudes to white teenage girls".

Yet the study into the event showed that similar attitudes had been held to girls of Asian descent too, just that they were far less likely to report it.

The overwhelming factor in the ignoring of these cases was of course the police attitudes towards the girls too.

Funny how you left that out.

You object to other groups of people being in the country, or coming to the country, despite the overwhelming ( more than 3/4) not agreeing with a certain thing you object to

You think 77% is an overwhelming majority. I don’t. And I do object to individuals who hold those minority views being in this country. Sharia Law has no place here.

I realise the discussion has moved on but a pp quoted statistics about violent crime in London NOT the UK. It was not black men with knives who made Glasgow the murder capital of Europe.

The overwhelming factor in the ignoring of these cases was of course the police attitudes towards the girls too

The overwhelming factor was the police who fearing being labelled racist.

There are Christians in your neighborhood which believe adulterers should be stoned to death ? Sure there are.

Are we not allowed to discuss the people who have suffered at the alters of your ideals ? That seems a bit mean.

"The overwhelming factor was the police who fearing being labelled racist."

Absolutely not.

The attitude towards the girls was the factor that led to it being ignored, as the investigation found. The "being racist" thing is a joke, if it was true the police wouldn't be fine with arresting asian men for other crimes, which they seem perfectly happy to do, and to stop and search more than whites too.

You didn't say Christians who believed in stoning initially.

Grasping at straws.

"Are we not allowed to discuss the people who have suffered at the alters of your ideals ? "

Didn't say that either.

Shall we discuss those who have suffered at the altar of your far right ones?

" And I do object to individuals who hold those minority views being in this country. Sharia Law has no place here."

I object to people who share your abhorrent and iniquitous views being here, but as I'm a minority it doesn't matter.

I find your position to be most irresponsible, when the shit hits the fan like in Rotherham you throw your hands up and say "we had no way of knowing these men would have such horrific attitudes to white teenage girls"

I'm not sure how this links to me belief in freedom of speech.

Men have been abusing girls in all countries, in all societies throughout history.

Men abuse women and other men ignore it.

I realise the discussion has moved on but a pp quoted statistics about violent crime in London NOT the UK. It was not black men with knives who made Glasgow the murder capital of Europe.

No it wasn't, you're right. However Glasgow became a very violent and divided city following mass immigration of adherents of a different flavour of the same religion. So what could possibly go wrong with much much larger numbers of immigrants from a completely different culture (with openly expressed views that are... unpopular..in the UK) coming ?

Men have been abusing girls in all countries, in all societies throughout history.

Oh well, that's ok then, nothing to see here, go back to bed you racists.

I object to people who share your abhorrent and iniquitous views being here, but as I'm a minority it doesn't matter

They’re not abhorrent or iniquitous views. I haven’t said anything outrageous or shocking - just things you don’t agree with. I notice you can’t tell me why I’m wrong, just resort to name-calling. And no, it doesn’t matter to me that you dislike my views - that’s part and parcel of living in a democracy. I have a perfect right to hold them and express them.

Yes. Yanbu.

@ElonMask what nonsense!

The clear coronary of this statement Men abuse women and other men ignore it is that I think abuse is ok.

You make a fool of yourself when you argue like that.

Male abuse is about male power. Men who can abuse girls and have it excused by other men. The excuses the other men use " oh I was scared of being called racist" or whatever are all about protecting themselves while selling the girls down the river.

By colluding with this excuse you are letting the men off from the fact that: men abuse women and other men let them get away with it.

Funny Boris how even the Muslim home secretary has no problem in calling out the common ethnicity of these men. But sure, he's wrong and you're right as usual.

Far right ? You are a most ridiculous individual.

"Oh well, that's ok then, nothing to see here, go back to bed you racists."

Yup because you only object to these things when its done by gorups you don't like.

Evil poltical expediency

"I notice you can’t tell me why I’m wrong"

I did, you said, " I don't agree" without justifying.

"And no, it doesn’t matter to me that you dislike my views - that’s part and parcel of living in a democracy. I have a perfect right to hold them and express them."

Yet a minority of people of a certain group can't live in the same country as you, and have different views to you?

Hilarious.

Of course a man would link it to ethnicity.

Men abuse women.

"Funny Boris how even the Muslim home secretary has no problem in calling out the common ethnicity of these men"

Yes because no one ever says "White European Catholic priests"

Or "White grooming gangs" as they exist.

"Far right ? You are a most ridiculous individual."You express views that are similar to those of the far right, and use similar arguments.

What is ridiculous?

Moussemoose

No. You are basically saying that white men are just as bad and that white European cultures are no better than anywhere else in the world for women to live. Which is fucking insulting nonsense.

Yup because you only object to these things when its done by gorups you don't like.

Sure, I don't mind in the least when white men abuse and rape women. that's the best counter argument you have ?