Twitter hosts paedophiles- AIBU to think this should change?

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A growing number of MAP (minor attracted people) accounts are forming a network on Twitter. There is a push to normalise and legitimise being sexually attracted to children. The “guide” I have linked is chilling, as are the accounts with MAP tags - they often have AOA in their bio...their “age of attraction”. So AOA 6mnths-4 years is a sexual attraction to children of that age.

Twitter is a huge business, with enormous power - they could, if they chose, take a stand against this.

Although MAP and NOMAP are horrible euphemisms, I do think it's useful to publicise that this is the new name, alongside saying paedophile. I want people to understand how this is being deliberately normalised.

When I first heard MAP, it was quite evident, shockingly so, that there was a push to normalise paedophilia on the basis of that acronym. People need to know that.

But yes, keep saying paedophile. I have no intention of replacing it with MAP.

NOMAP is even worse, in my opinion. Because it tries to induce sympathy. If you are nomap, get therapy and get on with your life. Stop fucking advertising it, you creep.

I'm sure it's absolute bollocks, too. There might be the odd person who resists the urge, but I believe nomap is just a PR mechanism.

The irony in referring to echo chambers (given that they then quoted the views of their own circle of friends as the reason they didn't listen to MN feminists) was therefore on their side, not mine.

Well, if an echo chamber is collected over the years without reference to this issue it is likely to be a less biased sample on this issue than the echo chamber that currently dominates FWR.

Asking you about those individuals who are leveraging the trans-ideology to further their agenda, was a very simple question.

Your "question" was composed of two assertions or assumptions, expressed with a number of value judgements and emotive terms and presented as fact. Any journalist or A-level humanities student can tell you it is therefore not a simple question but a loaded question. Insisting on denying this linguistic fact doesn't fill me with confidence about your critical thinking abilities.

Can you answer it though fox?

I guarantee you have nothing useful to add about this new phenomena sweeping Twitter.

You're happy to listen to the philosophies of your own echo chamber instead. That's nice.

Um, not so much. I mention them as a way of acknowledging the plurality of 'left leaning feminist' positions on (the centrality, or otherwise, of) trans issues, in response to your 'why do you think left leaning feminists think this?' question.

Well, if an echo chamber is collected over the years without reference to this issue it is likely to be a less biased sample on this issue than the echo chamber that currently dominates FWR.

"Your echo chamber is bad, but mine is collected over the years without reference to this issue"

Can you even hear yourself?

Um, not so much

Um, yes. Your echo chamber isn't objectively superior to mine. Most people don't buy this shit, GC left wing feminists are included in this wider group.

in response to your 'why do you think left leaning feminists think this?' question.

But maybe try answering the question without dismissing what a considerable group of left wing women say out of hand. Most started off as much more supportive of trans ideology. What changed their minds, do you think?

Your echo chamber isn't objectively superior to mine.

I'm not saying anyone's echo chamber is superior. I'm saying mine exists, and this makes the 'why do you think left leaning feminists think this?' question problematic.

Most people don't buy this shit, GC left wing feminists are included in this wider group.

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean here.

What nonexistentfox said - getting opinions from real life as well and other outside sources is a more balanced view than a concentrated internet echo chamber of like minded FWR voice rhetoric -

Jesus that link is disgusting. How the fuck is that allowed to stand!!!

Cross posts. Why do I think some left leaning feminists are no longer sympathetic to 'trans ideology'? I suppose for a variety of reasons.

I expect many - like me - have concerns about whether a strong and unquestioning approach to transitioning, particularly wrt children, has the effect of shoring up regressive gender stereotypes and life chances. I expect many are concerned about the actual existing examples of men who seek to abuse self-id for awful reasons. I expect many do not actually know any trans people and so are preoccupied with slippery slopes and logical end points and not with the practicalities of everyday living as a trans person.

I expect some are 'peak transed' over examples - true or false - of men in rape crisis centres or camping with the Guides or working as bra fitters. Some of this rings uncomfortably close for me, as I can't actually distinguish it from the heterosexual women who don't want to share a communal changing space with a lesbian and so on.

And I think some - often the most vocal - are fuelled by good old transphobia, and help make the whole debate much more vitriolic, entrenched and polarised than it ever needed to become. (Fully accept that this is true of many many TRAs too.)

Broadly I assume good intentions, and a genuine fear - not wholly unsubstantiated - that women's and girl's rights are being eroded. I genuinely cannot understand the passionate urgency though. I think a lot of the fears (e.g. around women's toilets) are completely unfounded.

I am sure I have missed some. I am also clear that this doesn't really contribute constructively to the topic of child sex abusers on twitter, but almost none of this thread does really. (And I don't think I'm capable of contributing to that really - I could express my dismay but that's definitely not constructive.)

madmomma sickening isn't it. They no platform GC women and yet pedophiles should be allowed to talk because THEY say they are not a threat to babies and children. Yea sure let's see all their Internet history if they are so innocent. Scum of the earth.Some man saying he is a pedophile but doesn't act on it still makes my skin crawl.

Can I just ask the people who think gender critical women are transphobic, what they actually mean by that? You think there are a whole bunch of feminists who hate trans-people? Is it just transwomen or is it transmen too?

Could you finish the sentence I think you hate trans people because...?

Or, maybe you just think it's an irrational fear?

Do you ever agree that fear/distrust of men isn't irrational? Particularly when vulnerable. And particularly when many of them, across social media and in real life, are telling us exactly why it's not irrational.

Do you recognise that gender critical feminists totally agree that most transsexuals are completely harmless? In terms of actual aggression.

People who disagree, will normally say it's because transwomen are women. And everything stems from that. Hence no debate. I'm assuming there is no one on this thread who actually thinks that?

preoccupied with slippery slopes and logical end points and not with the practicalities of everyday living as a trans person.

Or are preoccupied with the practicalities of everyday living as a woman.

I'm saying mine exists, and this makes the 'why do you think left leaning feminists think this?' question problematic.

I'm sure people didn't mean all left wing feminists think this they meant "some".

I'll continue to centre women (females) in my feminism, thanks.

as I can't actually distinguish it from the heterosexual women who don't want to share a communal changing space with a lesbian and so on.

Except that that would be homophobia. Whereas wanting privacy and dignity from ALL men isn't unreasonable or bigoted.

I'll continue to centre women (females) in my feminism, thanks.

See, this is where it all gets very perplexing for me, because I would say that's exactly what I do. And I don't know about you personally, but for the MN FWR board in general, that looks to me like feminism centring trans people in their feminism. I suppose if I listed all the many things which worry me - as a woman and as a feminist, as a lesbian, as a mother of male and female children - and which seem to be virtually absent from the discussion on FWR, you'd call it whataboutery.

Except that that would be homophobia. Whereas wanting privacy and dignity from ALL men isn't unreasonable or bigoted.

Absolutely, which is why nobody (afaik) is calling for men to be allowed to use women's changing rooms, right?

Absolutely, which is why nobody (afaik) is calling for men to be allowed to use women's changing rooms, right?

I rather think they are. Don't try to shove your ideology down my throat.

Nice sophistry though. You know perfectly well that most GC feminists consider adult human female to be the sole definition of woman.

I suppose if I listed all the many things which worry me - as a woman and as a feminist, as a lesbian, as a mother of male and female children - and which seem to be virtually absent from the discussion on FWR, you'd call it whataboutery.

I could call it untelligible nonsense. Since it means you could be a man who's never given birth and centres men in your feminism.

You don't even know what's on Nell's list ffs.

Come on Fox, you and I both know (from past experience) that Datun won't understand it no matter what is on there. It could be your weekly shopping list and if they weren't gender critical groceries they'd be "incomprehensible" tomatoes and "unintelligible" tampons.

Sorry Datun, but you do seem to have a habit of failing to understand only those you disagree with. No hard feelings and all that.

"incomprehensible" tomatoes

Unless they're in the fruit section too right I refuse to comprehend them.

Hahahaha

Ah Datun you fail to understand that for these people there is no objective reality and words mean whatever men tell them they mean.
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You know perfectly well that most GC feminists consider adult human female to be the sole definition of woman.

for these people there is no objective reality and words mean whatever men tell them they mean

"Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten." - George Orwell, 1984.

It's not about the list of feminist interests, it's about defining yourself as a woman, mother, lesbian, etc. And feminist.