James Bulger

[Monty27]

Hang your head in shame Vincent Lambre.
You low life creep.
Anyone?

missinggeorgemichael, thanks. Just reading through that.

Interestingly, someone earlier in the thread (one of the JV cheerleaders, can’t remember who) made a very patronising post about life sentences still being life sentences no matter how few years are served because the offenders remain on life licence.

One of the first things the Omand report says is that many people on life licence have their licence conditions lifted after a few years good behaviour. Apparently it wasn’t intended to be the case for JV, but given the CJS has seemed to bend over backwards to accommodate him it’s not inconceivable. We’ll never know know because his reoffending will not only have put the kibbosh on that for him but also RT.

That’s another interesting question. I wonder how RT feels about this film? I can imagine it’s a pretty unwelcome reminder and he probably wishes it’s not dragged up again and again.

The only person (aside from the filmmaker) who can possibly benefit is JV, because it perpetuates the image of him as a suffering child, mistreated by the system as opposed to the more accurate one of a perverted middle aged man who has been involved in one child killing and now gets his jollies fapping off at images of children being tortured.

Augusta2012, no-one on this thread has been cheerleading for Venables.

Mary Bell was convicted of manslaughter and not murder AFAIC. Not that she should have been allowed to breed either!

The 'hang 'em/jail them for life' brigade can lambast 'cheerleaders' and sleep easy at night knowing it is the criminal justice system (people actually knowledgeable about law) and not them that have the dirty job of enforcing the law and delivering justice, and knowing they themselves or their loved ones will never be hanged for any crime no matter how heinous.

Consolidatedyourlions
I am a lock away for life brigadier, for what it's worth my partner works for the police, they update PNC and the sex offenders register, we know numerous police officers. Half our wedding was police officers/staff. Believe me went I say I have more liberal views than most of them.
Our eldest son is studying criminology, was a police cadet for 2.5 years and youngest is also a cadet.
We aren't all uneducated, and often by being in the system makes them despair

Do your friends and family in police not realise prisons are in crisis and there are no realistic plans to create more spaces?

Who is supposed to pay for all these 25 year sentences you want?!

And I didn't say people are uneducated.

Not sure how this is different from any other te-telling of a real life story. Horrific as this case was the boys who killed that child weren’t Hannibal Lecter, they were also human beings so the story being told treating them as such should be vilified before anyone has even seen it.

Mary Bell was considered a psychopath and the manslaughter verdict was on the grounds of diminished responsibility. It wasn't manslaughter in the sense of two wreckless deaths. It was effectly 'murder by a troubled maniac'

Just got the Oscar nomination

Here is the director’s statement

mobile.twitter.com/vincentlambe1/status/1081927422642212864

I have been neutral on actual film here but not impressed with the Cheers and champagne greeting the news of the nomination, shown on Irish news tonight. Also the two young actors too cheerful being interviewed. Would leave a bad taste.

I saw this from Denise Fergus on Twitter

For me it's so simple. A real little boy went through tremendous fear and pain, and died horribly. His suffering is over now, but his mother's anguish will never end. If we can spare her any further pain we should, especially when we can do it by not making a film about the death of her child.

This film is not going to teach us how not to turn children in to murderers. It's not going to solve society's problems. It's just a film.

People have freedom of speech to make any art they choose too, but it is cruel to make art that would add to a families suffering to increase your own prestige.

How does this differ from, say, the numerous documentaries, dramas and books written about the torture and killings by Fred and Rosemary West (which went into the 1980s)?

Did Denise Bulger watch any films about other murder's before it happened to Jamie? I wouldn't watch it and she doesn't need to either