AIBU to think that other than some people being upset or angry, there are no downsides for the UK if Brexit doesn't happen ?

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I can't think of any downsides to the UK not brexiting other than some of the population being upset for a bit. Can anyone else ?

Recent polls? No one's asked me, I'd still leave

There will be a massive loss of faith in the vote and, as a result, a surge towards the far, far, far right

The thing is if Brexit goes head there will still be a swing towards Authoritarianism. Because Brexit will not bring about the sunlit utopia people want. People are going to move towards the far right and the far left regardless of whether Brexit is stopped or goes ahead.

Well we will have to leave the eu at some point unless it reforms (because it will crash and burn). But I don’t see that happening for ages. There will also be a minor constitutional crisis but I don’t think it will cause any real problems.

Recent polls? No one's asked me, I'd still leave

No ones asked me either. I’d still stay.

I’m really scared of a people’s vote but maybe we need one. We need to check exactly what the people want.

No deal
May’s WIthdrawal Agreement
No Brexit

I’m really scared people will vote no deal but i think we do need to ask exactly what it is people want.
—need a quick rant. Fucking Cameron, asking such a vague and nebulous question. Total incompetence—

@stripybeachbag everyone was equal in soviet Russia. Equality is irrelevant. This issue with the EU is that it has been edging towards a super state (and this remains one of its aims) and the process of electing/appointing the EU administration isn’t particularly democratic. Calling it a dictatorship is OTT though.

As people have said, we'd just have the BNP voted in during the next election.
What people have said this? Are you really suggesting that BNP have enough candidates to stand in every constituency and that a majority of constituencies would give them a majority vote at the next general election, because this is the only way such a scenario could happen? This is real scaremongering stuff.

I would anticipate a small rise in support for some right wing parties, which would mostly come from the extreme end of Brexit voters (the EDL, NF, BNP, Identitarians etc). Should we really be comprehensively damaging our country in order to appease people like this?

As for the other Leave voters, some will by now have seen what a shitshow this is turning out to be and be glad if it doesn't go ahead, and some will rigidly stuck to their guns and be disappointed and angry, but probably not riotous.

The government should now act in the best interests of the country by cancelling Brexit and addressing the real ills in this country, such as social inequality, as a matter of urgency.

...but I think it would result in a lot of people becoming disenfranchised and possibly result in greater swings towards extreme right wing parties

As Moose said, this is going to happen anyway. Caused by Austerity/current Tory policies.

There's money for the DUP/NI, money for all this Brexit shit, money for a high speed train, but no money to make people's lives better.

When people have nothing, they have nothing to lose. Or think they have nothing to lose anyway. See history.

Mm, but ime most brexiteers are older-50+ and wealthier- the Tommy Robinson types are the minority. Are they likely to riot effectively? Unlikely.

The daily mail leans towards remain. The country has shifted- people are beginning to understand that their concerns - justifiable in many cases- were not caused by the Eu and won’t be solved by Brexit.

We need good, clever political leadership now. Unfortunately that’s exactly what we lack.

The fact is that a majority, no matter how small, of VOTERS voted to leave. Doesn't matter what percentage of the population that is - if some could not be arsed to vote then they don't count. It would be even more embarrassing and pathetic to just let it all fizzle out, and that majority of voters would surely be less inclined to vote at all in the future if their opinions were now tossed aside.

We don't want to even give people the option of a No Deal Brexit. That is stupid and irresponsible.
I'd be more than happy to put up with Leavers' disgruntled whining for years if it meant No Brexit.
Sadly I don't think that's an option . So we must accept WA and Leavers can still whine that this wasn't what they voted for because.... I've no idea what they voted for but this is how we leave. Like grown ups. Accepting our responsibilities to NI.

Yeah - some people would prefer to see a crash in the economy, medical and food shortages, troubles in Ireland, than remain. We get that.

17.4 million people voted that's not a few. Democracy shouldn't be optional. If we stay in the EU because it's easier then from now on everything it's optional.
My leave vote was as valid as your stay vote.
Absolutely disgusting attitude. Stay isn't an option period.

Democracy shouldn't be optional

Fist pump

You’re disgusting.

@bellinisurge you do keep banging about that we don't know what we voted for?
Read the ballot paper that we put a cross to leave or stay.
It was explained there what we were voting for. I'm beginning to think you are Gina Miller.

And what if she was?

Racecardriver. the process of electing/appointing the EU administration isn’t particularly democratic

No selection of officials isn't democratic. Of course it isn't democratic. We don't elect the civil service in the U.K. The Commission is the equivalent of the civil service.

I keep on mentioning this but it needs to be made very clear to people.

The extremes on the left and the right both supported Brexit because they know it will cause crises. Crises - plural - economic and social.

This is good news for extremists because it is often the precursor to radical social upheaval and change. People turn to populist leaders who offer simple solutions.

It is very, very difficult to hold, to and appeal to, the middle ground when the country is fractured. People want easy solutions and simple answers. No one wants logic or hard decisions and compromises. Being part of the EU is about compromise and agreement and no always getting your own way. They want easy answers.

@BlueJag I said that I don't know what you voted Leave for. I'm sure you know why you voted Leave. But there are so many different reasons given - all of which seem to be about feelings- I can't keep up so I have stopped bothering

I think the issue very much lies with the term 'opinions' gingham , how do you decide which persons opinion carries the most weight ? How do you work out which opinion is supported by fact and which isn't ? How do you work out if those opinions have changed over the last 2 years or so ?

I don't fully understand this I voted once and you ignored me so I shall never do it again point. Who exactly is that supposed to punish ?

what do you hope to see after Brexit, bluejag?

Apologies if the question is triggering.

I don't fully understand this I voted once and you ignored me so I shall never do it again point. Who exactly is that supposed to punish

It IS a funny thing to say.

@BlueJag democracy should be optional

Should understanding what democracy means be optional? It certainly seems that it is.

Democracy isn't a one off event. Democracy isn't one thing. Democracy isn't the absolute rule of the majority.

Democracy is an on going process and there are different forms and nuances of democracy. The result of one referendum within a system of parliamentary representative democracy where parliament is still sovereignty is not 'democracy'.

In many democracies fundamental changes to a country requires significantly higher thresholds than a mere 50%.

This is one of the reason we will have unrest, people don't understand our system of government, the rules and nuances. People say "politics is boring" they don't engage or understand the system and get upset when reality doesn't match what they think.

@Helmetbymidnight I'll understand why she is like a dog with a bone like you.
You and many others don't get it. Even the government doesn't get it.
Why ask us to vote if in reality all they want is to stay?
There was 50-50 chance question. You and many others don't like the answer. I get it.
If stay had won that would have been the end of the conversation.

Frumpty I always think its a good idea to look at all sides of any argument on huge issues like this.
If you can't think of anything bad that would happen if we don't leave then you clearly have not done this.

Not wise really. I'm a brexiteer and I can certainly see the benefits of the eu. I wouldn't be massively upset if we stayed for the eu side, but in terms of democracy it would be a disaster.
However I can see plus and negative to both sides, it baffles me when on intelligent forum like mn that posters say stuff like this!
I could argue for both sides but leave won my day.

I honesty think the question to ask is : why don't I know of any negatives staying... There must be some let's do some research.

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