To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

[Teeandee]

When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

@MsLucyLastic

I have said several times that I think the state should pay for those who are unable to support themselves when it's outside of their control. Did you decide to ignore that to prove a point? A chronic health condition which means someone is dependent on the state is clearly within this belief system.

@ChristmasTwatteryDoesMyHeadIn

"you split it into deserving and undeserving."

Yes. Don't you?

I have a slightly more convoluted system as opposed to blinkered feminism.

This thread isn't about trying to change the law or to deny women their legal rights - it's about opinions on the morality of abortion in general

I’m not interested in your opinion on the morality of abortion. I’m interested if you want to change the abortion laws.

I would expect anyone who calls themselves ‘pro-life’ to want a change in the law....(but not on this thread where pro-lifers seem a bit confused)

You do realise that MN is primarily a discussion forum of self-selecting participants from across the world, with a wide range of opinions, don't you, and not Parliament?

Many pro-lifers probably would like to see a change in the law (although they know that it's never going to happen anyway, in the UK at least), but plenty of people are able to accept that the law is made ostensibly for the benefit of the country as a whole and not just with them in mind.

For example, the Brexit thing has already been done to death, with howls of outrage from some remain voters (and also many who wanted to remain but didn't quite manage to bother to vote in the referendum) about the 'wrong' decision having been made by 'clearly ignorant' people and accompanying demands for it to be stopped. Similarly, there are many remain voters who are bitterly disappointed that the majority voted to leave, but they nevertheless understand and accept the democratic process.

To illustrate it another way, I have no interest at all in alcohol - I see the many problems it can cause and I cannot personally see any real benefits of it over other sweet-tasting non-alcoholic drinks. However, I realise that many people do very much enjoy it responsibly and, if I were given the unilateral authority to simply ban it completely, I wouldn't do so, as I understand that it's not just about me.

NottonightJosepheen

Oh please do elaborate on your opinion of me being a "shit stirrer".
Always one that has to turn the thread into name calling and a slagging match 😂, I did predict it would happen at the very beginning and bingo here you are.

It's got nothing to do with feminism. If you expect society to provide you the means to not be pregnant (not having sex is obviously ludicrous even though some posters claim to be "terrified" of falling pregnant) then you are at the mercy of societies feelings about what abortions it is willing to fund.

Oh and I wpuld also love you yo explain your "fragile sap" comment. Did I report you...nope. all I said was read properly before you jump down someone's throat when you are wrong.

😂😂 brilliant, as I thought 👏. You have certainly given me a good laugh, you sound about 13. Are you 13?

You do realise that MN is primarily a discussion forum of self-selecting participants from across the world, with a wide range of opinions, don't you, and not Parliament?

Uh yes I do.

My understanding of pro-lifer pre reading this thread was that they did not believe women should have a choice re abortion- that they believed it should not be allowed.

Now I understand that people who believe the law is fine as it is, and who believe women should have choices available to them still um identify as being ‘pro-life’. (I would have called them pro-choice myself but hey every days a school day)

Helm, I would also call that pro choice but there was a thread very recently, (that has been mention already on this thread) where people were being told that unless they believed the law should be changed for woman to be allowed abortions until full term, for any reason at all, then they were not pro choice. Everyone seems to have different opinions on what the rules of being pro choice are.

Sorry, understood the same as Dragons.

Dragos even...

Well choice is choice- it’s all grey where the limits are, but I would say for most, pro-choice means you want to maintain a woman’s right to abortion as we have in the U.K.

But pro-life means you are anti-abortion I would have thought -(cant stand the phrase myself) so if you are using it about yourself, may be helpful to be aware that people will think you want/campaign for abortion to be illegal...

then you are at the mercy of societies feelings about what abortions it is willing to fund.

Not in a civilised and progressive society thank fuck.

A chronic health condition which means someone is dependent on the state is clearly within this belief system.

How benevolent of you. Do you quiz them? Expect proof, intimate medical details?

Yes. Don't you?

No, I don’t. Because without intimate details of their lives, diagnoses and sex life that would be impossible. But to force that would be invasive.

You seem to think your attitude is the norm. It really (and thankfully) isn’t.

Paying tax makes you nothing other than a taxpayer, it doesn’t bestow superiority or more rights or entitlement than anyone else. The quicker you understand that the better.

What do posters who think women who are financially stable, have had abortions before and COULD carry the healthy baby to term should do? If she doesn't WANT that baby? It seems some think that those women should not be allowed to terminate. Which is all well and good but what about that life that is brought into the world unwanted? To a sub-standard level if parenting, a drain on the lifestyle the mother wants, what are the implications for that life/ child/ adult?

Helmetbymidnight

Completely agree, there is no point in people using the term pro life in a debate when what they mean is they would not chose abortion for themselves but they think others should have the right to chose in some cases. It is a very grey area because it is such a complex subject.

Not in a civilised and progressive society thank fuck.

I'm talking about abortion to term for any reason. It's interesting that you think that the mark of a progressive society is one in which the views of the population are not respected.

I'm talking about abortion to term for any reason

Then I misread, and abortion to term isn’t available nor is it likely to become available.

It's interesting that you think that the mark of a progressive society is one in which the views of the population are not respected.

The mark of a progressive society is when women aren’t punished or denigrated for having sex. Which appears to have gone over the head of many on this thread.

Unless you're willing to adopt the children that are of a result of parents not being able to care or want a child then mind your own business it doesn't concern you and it never will. Children put into care systems have hard lives and not enough support you rather a child grow up feeling the neglect of their parents than have the fetus who feels nothing be taken away. A woman should not be judged for choosing not to take on a life long commitment for whatever her reason may be. Focus on your own uterus.

I think very few people are pro choice right up to birth for any reason while the number of late abortions post 24 weeks are less than 1% it is still 2-3000 per year, nearly all these are medical reasons
however I could not support the right to terminate at 30-40 weeks for social reasons or wrong sex even if the chance of this hypothesis is remote. I do not think a healthy baby which would be viable at birth should be terminated if the mother no longer wishes to be pregnant she can give birth and the child is born alive even if early
my personal feeling is that I would never have an abortion but I would be pro-choice for other people upto 16-20 weeks and only afterfor medical reasons, I would be anti-choice for sure after 28 weeks for non medical reasons ( this removal of choice for non medical reasons would be a tiny tiny number as very few are ever asked for)

I am definitely grey between 20-28 weeks because a child might just live

The mark of a progressive society is when women aren’t punished or denigrated for having sex.

I never understood this logic. Who is punishing them by making pregnancy a consequence of sexual intercourse ?

Yes there is no logic to that sentence. It's like saying if someone is in a car crash and they are injured then they are being punished for getting in the car, but everyone knows when getting in a car they risk of being in a crash.

I think a lot of people do view pregnancy as a punishment for sex, which informs their opinion that society has a moral duty to then correct this injustice.

Who is punishing them by making pregnancy a consequence of sexual intercourse?

The people insisting that abortion is always wrong? The people deciding what is and isn’t a valid reason? The people making wild assumptions and absolving fathers of any responsibility? The people saying that women should accept the consequences as they chose to have sex? The forced birthers?