To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

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When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

That is consequence free sex. Why should I support all women in their decisions?

Oh come off it Mary Whitehouse.

Unless you’re actively campaigning for child support rules to be stricter and enforceable, that parental abandonment should be recognised as morally and legally appalling and unacceptable, and ensuring both parents need to step up fully for their children, then all you’re doing is judging women for having sex.

@TheBabyFacedAssassin how brave and strong of you to take such a heartbreaking experience and go on to try and make things better for other women.

Thebabyfacedassassin
Your post is one of the most important on this entire thread.

@JacquesHammer

No. Just rear and be respoinsible for children they birth.

Women have the unique ability to end a pregnancy. They unfortunately don't always have the ability to raise a child when they choose to go ahead with a pregnancy.

Having sex is fine. Having a baby as single parent is fine. Expecting me (as a net contributor to society) to pay for it isn't.

whataSummer - because I don't think pregnancy should ever be used as a "punishment". That is not a healthy situation for a child to be brought into.

Plus, the default status for sexually active women is that they WILL likely get pregnant if they don't take steps to prevent it. Contraception fails as nothing is 100%. Women can surely only achieve true equality, if their life chances aren't adversely affected by having a child.

We have a declining birth rate and need a younger population to care for and replace the older generation.

So why shouldn't women who want their pregnancy be supported by us all? Those children are the ones whose wages will provide our pensions and who will care for us when we are old.

If the mother is able to continue her education, she is more likely to be able to obtain a decent job and therefore cost the state less in benefits than if she didn't complete her education. Her child would also have better life chances.

Having a baby as single parent is fine. Expecting me (as a net contributor to society) to pay for it isn't

Well I’m a net contributor and a single parent If I got pregnant again I wouldn’t be.

So I’ll have an abortion - I fully acknowledge my privilege in that I’m not vulnerable and able to make clear and easy decisions about what’s best for me and my living child.

Not every woman is and every woman should have support whether they want to abort or keep their pregnancy.

""So why shouldn't women who want their pregnancy be supported by us all?

Because I don't want to and this is the crux of the issue. Why should I pay for anyone's free choices when they have a negative impact on my life?

I am yet to see a solid and logically sound argument explaining why my money should support another woman's choices because she's a woman who got up the duff.

I believe in taxation to support those who are affected outside of their control. NHS, police, fire service, disability allowance etc.

If you have a choice and put yourself at a disadvantage then it's on your shoulders.

Why should it be different??

I am pro choice. Not only from the woman's point of view but from the child being aborted. Why force women to ha e children they don't want to abandon them, mistreat them and make them feel unloved, or for them to end up in care? I fail to understand how that is better.

whataSummer - net contributer or not, you don't live in a vacuum and will no doubt be reliant or interdependent on others in order to be able to live. I am presuming you have your rubbish collected, drive down roads or use public transport, maybe use the health service?

You may well pay for that via your taxes, but that money means nothing if we have no workforce to perform those tasks. We NEED a steady stream of new population to be able to provide the services you pay for.

I am yet to see a solid and logically sound argument explaining why my money should support another woman's choices because she's a woman who got up the duff.

Presumably you apply that logic to live births and NICU treatment? No?

BabyFacedAssassin I remember your posts at the time you were going through your pregnancy. I'm so sorry for what you endured and the permanent impact on your health. How anybody could support such cruelty is beyond me. I really admire you for campaigning on behalf of other women now

Maybe I am biased. I was a net contributor for a.long time. Then I became disabled and am entirely reliant on disability benefits. Its a great leveler and makes one realise that we truly are interdependent on each other, and that life doesn't always follow a script of self sufficiency.

At any time, a person could become unwell.and cost the NHS vastly more than they have ever paid in tax. Does that mean that as a net "taker" they are now worth less than a net "contributer"?

@ChristmasTwatteryDoesMyHeadIn

No. I was very clear. I made a clear distinction between those who have control of their situation and those who don't.

I do see why there's some grey in children with congenital issues but I reconcile this as the health of the child being outside that of the parents' control. My youngest had CHD and although have had their operations privately, I wouldn't have felt bad if they'd had their surgeries on the NHS.

You have no idea who has control and who doesn’t. You also rabbit on about consequences of sex yet have no empathy with a woman terminating a pregnancy on the NHS, while apparently no issue with birth on the NHS.

You bleat on about “your money” like every other right wing person who uses the fact they pay tax to elevate them somehow. It’s as ridiculous as it is crass.

Basically, you don’t agree that women should have a choice and you’re doing an awful lot of prevaricating to say so.

There seems to be a lot of criticism of women on this thread. What about the other party involved in conception?

Women don't 'get themselves up the duff'. They have sex with a man.

Or is he to be lauded as a 'net contributor' if he pays tax?

WhataSummer has under an hour's posting history mainly consisting of digs at 'feminists'. Seems to me they are looking for a bit of a fight.

I am pro-life.

TwistedStitch silly me for biting.

@ChristmasTwatteryDoesMyHeadIn

Right wing is not synonymous with paying tax. I do sometimes wonder if there's a positive correlation between those who feel entitled to support and those who are a net drain on society though. I'm sure those who are a drain attempt to discombobulate and try to justify their place in society however convoluted it may be.

"Basically, you don’t agree that women should have a choice "

Fuck! That's what you read? Fuck!

I think everyone has a choice and they are responsible for their choices. I understand that this is unfashionable.

I think that the state should support those who didn't have a choice.

@thehorseandhisboy

A man can't choose to have an abortion. It's ultimately down to a woman's opinion.

"An unwanted pregnancy carries no more risk of death to the mother as a wanted pregnancy and that risk is extremely small."

Yes, but it's a risk you accept if you want a baby. Along with the other, non-fatal risks. Why should you have to accept that risk for a pregnancy you didn't plan and don't want?

whataSummer how sad for you that you only view people in terms of their financial ability to provide.

As for your comments calling those of us who arent net contributors a "drain"......I used to work within healthcare. Would you still view me like that if I was one of the team who worked on your child?

There are few people in life that I wish to have a chronic health condition which loses all their earning power and eradicate their savings. And to become totally reliant on the state to learn some.humility. I could happily make an exception for you.

Right wing is not synonymous with paying tax.

Obviously not, or I wouldn’t pay any

It is, however, synonymous with the bleating that you’re “entitled” to comment on anything because you pay tax.

Men hold no responsibility as far as you’re concerned, and you split it into deserving and undeserving.

Well they don’t have a choice unless it’s to your frankly ludicrous standards, so what else am I supposed to think?

You pay tax, that’s it. You’re not exactly the second coming of Christ

Millions of us do it. Some don’t. I don’t have the right to micro manage their lives, they don’t have the right to micro manage mine.

Your over inflated sense of self importance is as funny as your ludicrous comments are offensive.

Yep goes on about nobody should be able to have consequence free sex, avoid the consequences of their decisions. Then within a few posts make it clear you didn't mean MEN.

NottonightJosepheen

"Fragile sap" 😂😂

Or perhaps you are the fragile one since you can't handle being told to read properly start name calling. How intelligent, bravo! Idiot!