To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

[Teeandee]

When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

Even at 16 cells it is a new and unique life with individual DNA different to its parents. It’s a life. It relies on the mother to sustain that life though. It’s more than a bunch of cells

I would consider myself pro life because i could never have an abortion even if baby result of rape. I also believe after 22 weeks abortion should be reserved for cases of severe birth defects or rape. I think if a woman has 22 weeks to choose an abortion then after that time the baby has a right to live. If the mother does not want baby then sign over for adoption. I wish women would take more care not to get pregnant. Then if they fear they are would take morning after pill. It is sad if a baby is destroyed but up to the mother, obviously if seeking an abortion the sooner the better. Abortion is not a pleasant experience and so i can't imagine a person would do so without a lot of thought. A pity there was not more counselling available to explain exactly what help and support they might be entitled to so women able to make more informed choice.

NottonightJosepheen

That is a tragic thing that happened but like I said very little risk because that's one person. I did not say no risk at all did I?

Obviously there are more bit I did not say it never happens.

I do agree that any woman who has a baby should have support to raise that baby be that financial or emotional. If they try but just unable to raise baby SS should step in and offer support and if that fails then rehome baby.

False. Maternal mortality is lower in Ireland than in the UK. Other EU countries with lower abortion limits than the U.K. also have better maternal mortality rates.

It hasn’t been introduced yet so far as the stats go, it was still safer than the UK when abortion was illegal. As is Poland and other countries with stricter abortion laws. So your statement “Maternal mortality is higher in countries without legal abortion.” is false.

There are disputes about the maternal mortality rate in Ireland.

aimsireland.ie/irelands-maternal-death-rate-depends-on-who-you-are-asking/

If I fell pregnant today, I would abort.

DS was a surprise baby while I was on the pill. Financially we were not ready, however we both felt that we wanted the baby. It crippled us financially and we really, really struggle now, to the point where DH has contemplated suicide so we would have access to his life insurance. Imagine coming home from work to find your DH mapping out how that money could be used to support us, him mapping out our lives without him? He's desperately trying to find a new, better paid job but he can't even get the interview. I was lucky enough to get a new job with a decent pay rise but still not enough once we factor in childcare costs. If we had another baby we would lose our house and I might lose DH. I don't see any prolifers rushing round to help so why should I care about their opinion?
We are very careful when we have sex, but nothing is 100%!

In this country especially there are very little deaths due to pregnancy. An unwanted pregnancy carries no more risk of death to the mother as a wanted pregnancy and that risk is extremely small.
Death isn't the only risk in pregnancy... there are so many awful, awful things that can happen in pregnancy and childbirth.

What I'd like to know is whether those who disagree with abortion, even at an early stage are vegetarian, or have never squashed a spider or a fly. Animals have life too but we make judgements as to their worth every day. Judgements are made as to the value of human life all the time too...you may not agree with war, I know in an ideal world there would be no war but this is not an ideal world. What if killing someone was the only way to save someone you loved? Or of saving many other lives?

Don't get me wrong, the idea of late term abortions is not something I like, in fact, when I was pregnant with my much wanted DS I found it difficult to imagine ever wanting an abortion at all...he was a baby right from the start to me, because he lived in my imagination (and of course, he's nothing like I imagined, that baby was just a fantasy.) However, since then I have had a termination. I made a mistake and found myself pregnant again. I had terrible PND, my DH has also been depressed. My pregnancy would have been high risk after a fairly traumatic birth. I knew I would not be a good mother to my DS if I had to go back through that again. I decided to put the life and happiness of my existing family first. I am completely comfortable with that.

Biancadelriosback
I'm so so sorry to hear that. I really hope that things do get easier for you.

The rankings I gave came from an article based on figures from the The Lancet Even if you take the higher rate quoted in the article that Twisted linked to, it is still better than the U.K.

I'm pro life.

My 'line' is where the mother's life is more important than a child's.

I certainly think there are limits on the rights of a mother.

Pro choice here through and through. I also live in NI where abortion is illegal unless there is ‘significant’ threat to the life of the mother.

I’ve shared my personal story here before. 4.5 years ago my daughter was diagnosed with a Fatal Foetal Abnormality at the 20 week scan and I was denied an abortion. I was also not aware at that time that I could travel to England to have a termination. So I was forced to continue with the pregnancy until my daughter was stillborn at 35 weeks. The pregnancy was incredibly difficult, both physically and mentally; I ended up on morphine to cope with the pain of the complications and was unable to leave the house most days. I have been left with permanent injuries as a result of that pregnancy. There was no hope for my daughter, none, zero, yet still I was denied a termination. It was horrific and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

I am now a pro-choice activist and campaign for the law to be changed in NI. Being denied a termination when I needed one opened my eyes to all the other reasons why a woman might need one. I’m pro choice because what another woman does or doesn’t do with her womb is absolutely none of my business. I trust women to make the right decision for them and I support women whichever road they decide to go down.

I’d be intrigued to know why the truly anti-choice posters believe that it was right that I was denied an abortion?

TheBabyFacedAssassin

I’m so sorry. There will never be justification for denying you an abortion.

@ElonMusk I don't think I am quite saying this:

"I completely agree with you. People regard it as their right to pass over responsibility for the consequences of the fulfilment of their sexual desires to the state. And then saying society is misogynistic if it places any restrictions on that. It's quite an odd state of affairs."

I AM saying that women have been sold a bit of a pup in terms of how effective contraception is meant to be. I have been prescribed antibiotics on loads of occasions and only once was advised how it could affect my contraception. We put our faith in the 98% effective stats and forget about it. When we really shouldn't. Because that is only when used perfectly. And we may STILL be one of the two percent for which it fails.

Before we had "reliable" contraception, we were aware of the risks of pregnancy resulting from sex. Now, we have almost separated the two and maybe are putting too much faith in one type of contraceptive.

I also think that pro-choice can only be true choice if women are able to access financial, practical and emotional support when pregnant. If a teen is having an abortion because she wants one, fair enough. If she would like the baby but worries she can't finish university, then that isn't a full choice.

And I do think there should be less stigma around women giving their babies up for adoption if they want to. It seems weird on a societal level that so many babies are aborted, whilst IVF rates are rising to help couples make children. If IVF wasn't available, would these couples look to adopt? I don't know the answers. I just want choice in all things.

@MsLucyLastic

No one should be allowed to make any kind of decision free of concequences. Get pregnant - expect to make sacrifices such as not being able to afford HE. Simple.

NottonightJosepheen

That's why o said in this country especially. People really need to read properly before they go on the attack!

whatasummer - it isn't about not having consequences. It's about supporting women in all situations to do what is best for themselves and the pregnancy.

In a country as wealthy as ours, noone should feel they have to end a pregnancy for financial reasons.

If a woman wants to abort, then fine, but if she feels she HAS to abort when she would rather not, that is not fine. She needs kindness and support.

"If a woman wants to abort, then fine, but if she feels she HAS to abort when she would rather not, that is not fine. She needs kindness and support."

Why?

That is consequence free sex. Why should I support all women in their decisions?

Raspberry88

I was referring to a post specifically about death of the mother during pregnancy.

That is consequence free sex. Why should I support all women in their decisions?

Maybe we should tar and feather women who have sex. A scarlet letter?