To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

[Teeandee]

When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

Bert, because it would probably result in fewer abortions?

If those actions didn't result in a reduction in abortion would you still be prepared to pay for them out of taxpayers money? Or would you prefer to divert that money to a different initiaitve that might reduce abortion?

Bert, because it would probably result in fewer abortions

Absolutely, if we want to be fully pro choice then if a woman wants to keep her baby, she should be supported to do so. If she has bonded with her baby, but feels like she has no other option but to abort then it's not really her choice is It?

Absolutely, if we want to be fully pro choice then if a woman wants to keep her baby, she should be supported to do so

Absolutely no disagreement. But if a woman wants to get rid of the pregnancy she should be fully supported to.

That’s the very tenet of pro-choice for me.

Oh, right. Not one of my top reasons for thinking that there should be more support for women to leave abusive relationships. Putting women in a position to make safe informed decisions may mean fewer abortions. Or it may mean more. Who knows? But it’s certainly a campaign we could all get behind.

“I don’t want a baby” should always remain a perfectly adequate reason for abortion. There doesn’t have to be caveat after caveat of awful situation, simply not wanting a baby is enough for me.

JacquesHammer

“I don’t want a baby” should always remain a perfectly adequate reason for abortion. There doesn’t have to be caveat after caveat of awful situation, simply not wanting a baby is enough for me.

Absolutely agree. It is as simple and as clear as that.

I think also that over a course of someone’s like their opinions are changed and shaped by their experiences. My stance on abortion has certainly changed Over the years. As a teenager I was very pro choice and generally still am, however as a 30 something mum, I’m not sure if I got pregnant again now, even thought I don’t want any more children, I could have an abortion.

I also felt my babies kick at 20 ish weeks / this changed my opinion on late term abortions - maybe not rule it out completely but it certainly made me question the morals of this issue.

Although I still believe that it’s a woman’s choice.

tenbob, I volunteer 3 hours a week supporting vulnerable parents and 3 hours a week supporting children through play therapy. This is also the field I work in.
My best friend was born addicted to heroin, it was a tough start in life but still a life worth living.
8 weeks isn’t long but I am pro life.
I think that supporting women to leave abusive situations and supporting single parents reduces the need for abortions.
Sorry I couldn’t remember the names of who my points reply to.

Nothing , if supporting women didn’t result in fewer abortions I would still advocate support for vulnerable women.

I think that supporting women to leave abusive situations and supporting single parents reduces the need for abortions.

What if they had all the support (which should be absolutely standard) and still wanted a termination? You make it sound like either/or, which it isn’t.

"Why not give the gift of life to somebody else rather than ending a viable pregnancy."

Because pregnancy can have long lasting physical and mental consequences? I had fairly severe sickness, couldn't keep down water, went down about a dress size and a half, pre eclampsia, induced, horrible tear that took hours in theatre to repair then the healing from that plus the mental health effects - over a year of reliving the induction, labour and birth. Coming up to six years and I'm still on medication for anxiety. I would never be without DS, but I've paid a price for it and never want to go through that again.

thanks 3wild

I personally think the limit is high for abortion however I realise that in reality the abortions that happen past 18wks are normally for medical reasons that can only be picked up on the 20wk scan therefore I would not support a change in the law.

In my opinion aborting for downs is a stupid decision but that is because I have a family member with downs and they light up our family. I am sorry to say I probably would judge (in my head!!) someone for aborting just for downs (aware downs and other issues often go together some of which are serious - hence me saying just for downs) especially if baby was planned. I worry that the increase in aborting downs babies will lead to a world where my downs family member will be outcast. Where my children will grow up thinking you can choose a 'perfect' baby. If you want to see how amazing people with learning disabilities can be watch the special olympics.

I cannot see myself choosing an abortion except if baby was too ill to live after birth.

However I still believe in a womens right to choose. I realise that my PERSONAL beliefs and choice may not be right for others. I do not discuss my beliefs with others as they are only important to me. I would stand face to face with protesters on the picket line so a women could get an abortion she has choosen even if I wouldn't have made same decision (at the end of the day i am not in her shoes).

DoveBlue, abortions for medical reasons are allowed up until term. The 24 week limit only applies to other ‘non-medical reason’ abortions so reducing the limit wouldn’t change the access for medical reasons.

Well I once said I was pro life on here and got a barrel of abuse including saying I am apparently a woman hater and disgusting. This is why you will hear mainly pro choice, anyone who dares to have a different opinion on this is shot down. I always find it interesting that those who are against abortion are made out to be evil somehow. And just for the record I could understand if you come on here saying people who have abortions are evil or awful people, I didn't, I just said I see it as a baby from the start, not just cells and so it harder for me not see it as killing a child. There are areas I am a shade of grey on too though, just not for people who don't take responsibility for taking proper precautions to avoid something they wouldn't want. Waiting to be flamed again now....

Because you SEEING it as a baby when it is still a 16 cell embryo doesn't make it a baby! It has no more complexity than an ameoba, how can you insist that it's a baby? If you left it alone, it WOULD be a baby, but if I left dirt in my salad drawer for 9 months it might reach sapience, does that mean cleaning the fridge is murder?

Being anti-abortion is not being pro-life. It's simply being anti-abortion.

My problem with anti-abortion people is that they all too often want to impose their views on others via legislation, condemnation etc. Let each woman make her own choice in this very difficult, very personal matter and respect the choice she makes.

@Frazzledmum123 you've summed up perfectly what I wanted to say but perhaps didn't word very well in my OP

Technona - I personally usually keep quiet because I know I'm in the minority and because ultimately I don't see the point in making someone who has made the decision feel shit, it won't change the situation and there is no need. But actually as someone who is against it I find the opposite, as this post is showing. Most of those who are against it are arguing respectfully and trying to get their point across without sounding overly judgy. However, there are a lot of pro choice people posting much more aggressively and like I said before, I was called some hideous names last time. And colditz, your opinion on whether or not it is a life is no more valid than mine. It has a heart beat at around 8 weeks so I believe it is a life. Saying it just has potential to be a child but isn't yet is like saying a child has a potential to a happy future but that hasn't happened yet so it wouldn't be wrong to deny them that. In my opinion anyway, you are of course entitled to your own

I am firmly pro-choice and while my dream would be for no woman to need an abortion I believe it's crucial that women retain a legal right to an abortion. In the USA many conservative states have been eroding women's rights to reproductive autonomy for decades now and in doing so have eroded women's legal autonomy over their own bodies when pregnant, effectively placing the human rights of a fetus over the human rights of a woman and prosecuting women for miscarriages. I encourage everyone to read this article from the New York Times today, which I find very disturbing:

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/28/opinion/pregnancy-women-pro-life-abortion.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

You may not agree with abortion but be careful what you wish for in pursuing a goal of ending access to it because you may find yourself losing other rights as well.

There is at least one pro lifer on this thread who doesn't extend the sanctity of life to the pregnant woman, I do find that very confusing tbh.

I can never understand why this argument is used so often. In this country especially there are very little deaths due to pregnancy. An unwanted pregnancy carries no more risk of death to the mother as a wanted pregnancy and that risk is extremely small.

Now it seems to be about not wanting to actually take responsibility for what happens when you actually deny women abortions, but reserving the right to judge.

Of course people have the right to judge, this is a free country and I'm affraid it would be impossible for you to take away the feelings people have. Everyone judg3s everyone for all sorts of reasons. You judge people on decisions they make or feelings they have. No matter what law changes people will always judge people.

3WildOnes 8 weeks is ridiculous. So many women don't know they're pregnant until beyond that, especially if not TTC. My second DS was conceived on the pill, I had no idea until I was almost 16 weeks.

I do feel that I'm very much pro choice, although late term abortions do sit uneasy with me. My first DS was born just shy of 23 weeks and survived for 21 days, so to think of someone terminating a pregnancy at that stage does make me feel a bit uneasy. However I think it's fairly uncommon and it's none of my business what other women do with their bodies.

Teeandee - I just wish people could be respectful both sides. I can't help how I feel, it is a baby to me and no amount of name calling or abusive posts can change how I feel about that. I lost a baby very early, 6 weeks and although I went on soon after to have a healthy child, that 'bunch of cells' still matters very much to me. It's not about the future I was planning as I still have that, it was that I feel I lost a baby, my child, not just some cells like a period