To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

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When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

When that collection of cells is a living, breathing, self-aware life, rather than something that has the potential for life and is not utterly dependent on another living person to stay alive. I am fully aware there is a gray area which is why I am comfortable with the current abortion limits given how very few abortions happen past 12 weeks and almost always for medical rather than 'lifestyle' reasons.

The fact is that the only person who can make the decision about whether they are able to carry a baby to full term and care for it is the woman in question. All you want to do is remove that choice. Pro-lifers don't give a shit what happens after that.

And it is not, in any way unfair to state categorically that pro-life means anti-choice, anti-safe abortion. This is a fact. If you are pro-life, you want to restrict access to safe abortion and this directly kills women.

This makes me furious, to be perfectly frank.

Haven't RTFT, but have any pro-lifers anti choice posters put up credentials for campaigning for greater support for women and children?

Yes it's been mentioned echt

I can understand why women abort
Nearly did so myself
In my heart, do I think it’s the right thing to do for one human to take the life of another though? No. Under any circumstance. I do not share my view though unless specifically asked - such as you have done on here. I would not wish to offend.

But you asked for view and I wanted to be honest about the discrepancy between my head and my heart on the subject.

Thisisit - I feel the same. I do not share my views unless directly asked. I am religious, I don't share about that either. I value tolerance and peace.

I would be hugely for any scheme or ways to help women who have chosen to have their babies and I feel that any person who claims to have reservations regarding abortions, such as Jacob Rees Mogg and Donald Trump, should also discuss their robust and realistic plans to assist women.

Yes it's been mentioned echt

Issue mentioned, but not the point I raised. No anti-choice advocate has proposed action or taken any.

Yes they have echt.

Just out of interest, are there any people who fervently support a woman's right to choose irrespective of circumstances but who don't also support the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Surely it would make no sense whatsoever to think that an unborn child, who never asked to be conceived and has done no wrong, but whose very continued existence is believed to possibly put in jeopardy the freedom/health/wellbeing/life etc of another person, should have that life terminated if said other person deems it appropriate; and yet to also maintain that an adult person who, although having been allowed ample time to prove themselves and the value/worthiness of their own life, has nevertheless gone on to use that life to prove 100% beyond any doubt that their existence has categorically destroyed the life of another person, should not legally be able to have their life terminated if their victim's family (or indeed the state) deems it appropriate?

If not, why not?

Just out of interest, are there any people who fervently support a woman's right to choose irrespective of circumstances but who don't also support the death penalty for convicted murderers

This is a classic straw man fallacy.

Pro-choice because we live in an imperfect world.

I don’t understand people against abortion
It’s not your body, your baby, your life what makes you think you get to tell someone what to do with their life?

I just don’t get it and I’ve never had an abortion or even been pregnant

It’s not your body, your baby, your life what makes you think you get to tell someone what to do with their life?

I am pro choice but I can understand people who are against abortion. I agree with them to a certain extent, it not fair that a baby dies but the consequences for the mother of going ahead with the pregnancy are what makes me pro choice.

beansonapost you posted way back but I agree with every word you said.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll I'd support the death penalty if there wasn't any chance of an innocent person being convicted, as it stands I am absolutely against it.

I hope the pro life (anti choice) women will be signing up for the hundrens of thousands of children who will end up in care needing a home. No???

What exactly will happen to all these kids from teenagers who don't want them? You'd better be signing up to help look after them if you're part of the reason legislation happened where they're forced into that situation.

What do you think happens when women are denied abortions? How well do you think it ends?

www.huffingtonpost.com/david-a-grimes/abortion-denied-consequences-for-mother-and-child_b_6926988.html

"Children born after denied abortion fared worse than their peers in many respects. Psychiatric hospitalization was twice as common. Delinquency was twice as common, and criminal activity was three times higher. Registration for public drunkenness was 50 percent higher. The likelihood of receiving public assistance between ages of 16 and 21 years was six times higher and of having learning disorders two times higher. In all dimensions, children born after denied abortion fared less well than their peers."

I hope the pro life (anti choice) women will be signing up for the hundrens of thousands of children who will end up in care needing a home. No

I am pro-choice and this is not a good argument. A better one is to ask for evidence where anti- choice proponents on this thread have actively campaigned for support for women and children they have/will have been forced to have. Clue: none.

I am pro-choice and this is not a good argument

Yes it is. We already have thousands of kids in care who need a home. The problem will get much worse without access to abortions. What will happen to all these children? It will go from thousands to tens/even hundreds of thousands. It's a practical question.

I am pro-choice and this is not a good argument. Yes it is

In your post you said:I hope the pro life (anti choice) women will be signing up for the hundrens of thousands of children who will end up in care needing a home

This implies they should be taking personal care of the children, unless you mean something different by "signing up".

This is a classic straw man fallacy.

Care to elaborate at all?

This thread is about the individual opinions that people have and their reasons for having them. Nobody is expecting to change anybody's views, but it's a valuable opportunity to hear where different people are coming from with their views.

Just out of interest, are there any people who fervently support a woman's right to choose irrespective of circumstances but who don't also support the death penalty for convicted murderers?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Does that help? It's pretty basic stuff.

I don’t understand people against abortion
It’s not your body, your baby, your life what makes you think you get to tell someone what to do with their life?

This thread isn't about trying to change the law or to deny women their legal rights - it's about opinions on the morality of abortion in general. I've never been either a slave or a slave owner, but I still maintain my right to hold the opinion that slavery is evil.

Many people who believe that a human life has come into existence the moment that conception has taken place are of the belief that it's therefore also not the pregnant woman's life to take away either.

You wouldn't ask why people hold strong opinions against strangers who, it emerges, have been abusing, beating and even killing their young children on the grounds that "It’s not your body, your baby, your life what makes you think you get to tell someone what to do with their life?"

I presume you also wouldn't accept a violent man's using the 'reasoning' that "She's not your wife that I'm beating, she's mine, what makes you think you get to tell someone what to do with their life?"

There's obviously a lot of disagreement as to when a human life begins (or takes on any value) and subsequently as to whose life/lifestyle/choices take absolute precedence - mother or baby - but you surely can't be surprised that people who consider conception to be the beginning of life will then go on to hold a personal opinion as to the value of that life, albeit one which they realise is at odds with what the law and majority public opinion stand for?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll I've offered another reason a bit earlier, but if pro choice people believe that a fetus gets more rights once it lives independently of his mother, then it's easy to see that the capital punishment is completely irrelevant to the abortion discussion.

This thread isn't about trying to change the law or to deny women their legal rights - it's about opinions on the morality of abortion in general

This is such an important comment.

You can hold an opinion and defend an opinion but that doesn't mean that you are forcing other people to live by your opinion.

I think football is boring and don't understand why people are fanatically loyal to a team when the players, managers and owners can change every year. But that doesn't mean that I am taking football away from anyone, nor am I sacking anyone. Its also doesn't mean that I am obliged to invent a better sport and infrastructure on the spot to replace football.