To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

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When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

I would argue that the woman has more rights than the feotus having a more developed brain and as she will be the main carer.
Caitlin Moran wrote a brilliant bit about this in her' how to a woman book' .Adults have more rights than children. 18 year olds have more rights than 16 year olds and 16 year olds have more rights than 2 year olds. Born children have more rights than unborn children and under a certain age in the womb even less.
Let's not pretend that children are a minor inconvenience to a lifestyle when everyone knows they are a major life changing event and that parenting is very tough...even with the most wanted child in a stable home.
You have to be sure before continuing with pregnancy.

Also of women were given more support to be mums and weren't punished for being poor, unmarried, too young or whatever. If the two fucking child benefit cap was lifted and if we valued motjerhood, then maybe abortion rates would drop.

Bullshit that contraception was better in the past. People had huge families in shitty circumstances...it was awful for many.

Are pro lifers also benefit bashers coz if so it dosn't male any sense.

Many Catholics don't even beleive in contraception.

In evolutionary terms it was normal to have huge famies and live in subsequent poverty. Now thank god, we don't have to.

I would argue that the woman has more rights than the feotus having a more developed brain and as she will be the main carer.
Caitlin Moran wrote a brilliant bit about this in her' how to a woman book' .Adults have more rights than children. 18 year olds have more rights than 16 year olds and 16 year olds have more rights than 2 year olds. Born children have more rights than unborn children and under a certain age in the womb even less.

But all people should have the right not to be murdered, no matter how young they are.

I read that book, and I like Caitlin. But I disagree with her on this.

Learning difficulties and mental health aside, I think women who are lax and reckless about contraception to the point that she finds herself having multiple abortions shouldn't be told that it's perfectly ok and normal so she feels comfortable to go on repeating the cycle.

I'm sure that there are even some women who've chosen termination themselves who would find such recklessness and nonchalance toward abortion insulting.

Let's not pretend that children are a minor inconvenience to a lifestyle when everyone knows they are a major life changing event and that parenting is very tough...even with the most wanted child in a stable home

Yep, becoming a patent is a massive life changing thing. But being killed also has huge permanent consequences on your life, and seeing as babies aren't in a position to make a choice, I don't think we should make it for them by killing them.

I knew a vegan that was pro-life, he (and that too makes a difference) felt it was hypocritical to be otherwise. I thought this was strange, those usually don’t pair in the lefty circles, but did make a weird sort of logic.

What do you think should happen to those women then OP? Should they be refused abortions? And do you really think the (rare) women having repeated frequent abortions have perfectly fine MH?

Shades of grey. I couldn't support it up to term which (I was informed last thread) means I'm not pro choice. You can only be pro choice if you support it at any time and for any reason.

I don’t get your posts at all op. You don’t judge- but you do.

You want women who don’t have good enough reasons to terminate to be forced to stay pregnant and give birth?

You want a change in the law so all abortion is illegal?

Can you to be clear about what procedures are acceptable to you - all this vague stuff about reckless women you know - doesn’t help.

I'm pro life after 32 weeks or so (except in cases where the foetus has a condition incompatible with life. I support the right of women to end their pregnancy at any point, I just feel that after 32 weeks it should be by giving birth, not termination.

Or rather, I couldn't support it to term for non-medical reasons. If the baby would die anyway once born, or live an agonising, horrific life, then I see the reasoning.

I will always be vehemently pro-choice. I might not to choose to have an abortion later than 12 weeks unless there are extenuating circumstances (medical or otherwise), but I support the rights of women to choose to do as they want when it comes to their own bodies, their own health, and their own lives.

It is really that simple.

I will never be convinced otherwise.

@TwistedStitch I only know of one person who fits that description personally, and I think that if she's so sure she doesn't want more children right now then she should go on birth control, which isn't an unfair observation is it? Simply stop getting yourself pregnant by having sex without precautions. Ensure it doesn't happen.

As hard as it might be to believe that somebody who's mental health is fine, would carry on getting pregnant and aborting, it happens. She doesn't have MH problems. At all. She's a mother of three and a relatively good mother at that.

She just thinks nothing of aborting, she has said as much herself.

Some women simply don't give a shit and abuse their right to terminate.

Yes OP, but I'm asking what you think should happen if she gets pregnant again? Should she be refused an abortion?

I don't agree with people just having an abortion because they can.

I know a lady that slept about a got pregnant multiple times, and basically used abortion as a contraception which I don't agree with.

But some people are not mentally/physically able to cope, have been raped, are in bad abusive relationships, too young etc. the list goes on.

You can't tarnish everyone with the same brush, people have reasons and should be able to make there own choices.

@Helmetbymidnight I haven't said anything about abortion being made illegal or a change in any laws?

I've said how I feel and what my outlook is. I don't try to force that onto others, though.

I've explained that I'm against abortion except for when the babies life is not viable, the child will suffer greatly from birth or when continuing a pregnancy puts the mother's life in jeopardy.

They don’t all have case files behind them

Coersion doesn’t just happen to those with case files. Ever listened to The Archers?

The Pregnancy Choices board is full of threads where the woman wants to carry on with the pregnancy but the OH is pressurising them into having an abortion. They may often be ‘average people’.

I am not arguing that contraception is not important, I am just highlighting that we cannot possibly know any individual’s reason for seeking multiple abortion unless someone sits down with them and actually asks them.

A woman appearing breezy or uncaring at a clinic doesn’t mean anything, and may be a defence mechanism.

'Learning difficulties and mental health aside, I think women who are lax and reckless about contraception to the point that she finds herself having multiple abortions shouldn't be told that it's perfectly ok and normal so she feels comfortable to go on repeating the cycle.'

OP this post is vile.
Do you seriously believe that there are women out there, happy as Larry, having one night stands and abortions in their lunchtimes?
I almost hope you're a trolling man, if that's your views on women.

So You believe abortion should remain legal. You don’t like some of the reasons some people terminate but you don’t want a change in the law?

Well done op - that makes you pro-choice.

I think sometimes it would be worse for a child to be subjected to a life where they were not wanted. In any of the situations Stickmanslittleleaf has given abortion is the best option, it certainly is a better option for the child, no one wants to be brought up in any of these situations.
In an ideal world no one would have an unwanted pregnancy but we don't live in an ideal world and these situations are very common. I have seen neglect of children and it is a horrendous thing to see happen. Saying that the woman could go through with the pregnancy and give the baby up for adoption wouldn't work, there are enough children in the care system as it is and I'm sure not many of them would thank anyone for that life.

@TwistedStitch No of course not. It is up to her what she does. This isn't about stopping people having abortions, it's about how we as individuals feel about abortions.

In an ideal world people who are able minded would take precautions and prevent getting into that situation in the first place.

@stickman great post.
Depending on how late, I'd argue that a late termination could be just as traumatic for C, and the ideal solution would be some kind of SGO where there was a clearly enforceable right for her to know her child growing up.

Then it sounds like you are pro choice OP.