Hunting without the actual fox

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This is just caused a bit of a row in our house.

Family member comes into the room where I am and says how disgustingly it is that the supporters were kicking off and a 15'year old was pushed off a horse.

Now I am very very anti fox hunting and I said I am the last person you want to speak to about this as I do not agree with fox hunting on any level.

They continued about how bad it was that this 15 year old has been pushed from the horse and I responded with a comment along the lines of they shouldn't of Been on the horse to go out and do that kind of thing, no sympathy whatsoever.

Apparently now they don't hunt foxes. Just pre laid trails.

So if a fox is then smelt on the way of the pre laid trails, willl the hounds hunt that or the pre laid trail?

I just can't get my head round a sport that is to chase an animal, to its death. The torment that animal Must go through in the name of sport it just disgusts me. Who could actually enjoy that.

So in answer to the original question. They scent a rag and the dogs chase down the rag in theory. The issue is they do this on an area with foxes and the law states if a dog kills another animal 'by accident' owners are not liable. A bit like if your Springer spaniel runs off and catches a rabbit or your cat drags in a mouse.

in short the hunts are still chasing live animals but circumventing the law with this get out clause.

I can’t stand fox hunting

I think it’s a terrible thing as even though it’s illegal and it’s all scent trails now, you know there will be cases where the animal is still killed

However I don’t agree with sabatouers either

Horses are easily panicked and it’s a big risk for them. Plus the sabs even encourage the dogs to run over motorway roads

I'm not a hunter or pro hunting but i have a lot of contact with it, friends who do it etc and am not aware of the law 'being flouted all the time' sure it is, but not that im aware of so it cant be totally rife. The people i know that hunt, hunt grooms included, seem to just do it for a horseback mass pissup tbh. Foxes arent even on their minds!

Also, bloodhound packs follow human scent so the sabs that go after them make themselves look like complete wankers lol

Yabu OP there is never an excuse to assault anyone- whether you agree with them or not & I’m sure the horse would have been frightened to death too. Stop justifying violence.

Local sabs provided first aid today to a teenage hunter who fell off their horse and stayed with them until other riders came.

I see far more evidence of hunt supporters assaulting sabs than the other way round. Watched a video yesterday of two female sabs trying to spray citronella after a fox ran past them, they were grabbed by terrier men to prevent them getting between the Fox and the hounds even though they were on a public footpath. Scuffle ensues as the women are trying to get away and screaming at the men to get off them but there's blurry video evidence of the hounds killing the fox. So they were assaulted by hunt supporters.

There's numerous videos like this. Thankfully some Hunt supporters are getting prosecuted. One sab down south recently had to be airlifted to hospital after being attacked so badly. Police have the video evidence and its likely more prosecutions will follow. Hunt people think nothing of smashing cameras when they can though to get rid of the evidence.

www.thefoxwebsite.net/foxhunting/huntban

Sabs do not encourage dogs to run across roads, this is rubbish spouted by the pro hunt mob. Do you really think that those dogs go on to live a long and happy retirement? Get good medical care? Get affection and comfort.
They get shot when they can’t do the job anymore.

We have a bloodhound hunt near us who have proper drag hunts, never caught a thing.
Why do foxhounds still need to be used at all?

Really am hiding the thread now.

@Soubriquet They don't encourage dogs to run over motorways at all, lets stop spreading bullshit.

Sabs never encourage a hound to run over a motorway. In the video of the hounds on the a14 recently the sabs were there before the hunt and were desperately trying to get the dogs off the road.

Earlier this year a hunt lost control of its hounds and they attacked alpacas on a farm. A friend had a horse so frightened by trespassing hounds, it ran into barbed wire fencing and needed extensive treatment. That’s without savaging foxes as a main objective.

Whatever moral high ground you thought you had, you lost it with this statement:

I responded with a comment along the lines of they shouldn't of Been on the horse to go out and do that kind of thing, no sympathy whatsoever.

A 15yo is pulled off of their horse by and adult - dangerous (and stupid) enough in an otherwise deserted field, but surrounded by a hunt + other sabs? Would you still have been lacking sympathy had the child been trampled?

So the Sabs have never done anything to endager riders , horses or hounds?

Sorry for the DM link but the video of the hounds in the a14 is here for anyone who's interested. One male sab put his life at risk trying to save the hounds. Other sabs were trying to call them back into the field. I promise the sabs were distraught.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6478769/Saboteurs-film-horrifying-moment-hound-killed-car-smashed-hunt.html

I'm against fox hunting (and all mistreatment of animals) but I genuinely don't understand the anger that makes these people actually go out and harm people - especially as fox hunting is less painful to to the animal than the thing 95% of us do routinely, i.e. eat meat and dairy.

If you had to give me a choice of being:

a) a dairy cow - deliberately bred to have big udders, spending life in a 5-year cycle of forced pregnancy and continuous lactation then getting killed for cheap burgers at a quarter of their natural age; or

b) a hunted fox (freedom until being chased and ripped apart - which, yes, is horrendous but it's over in 5 minutes)

I'd choose the latter...

I'm not saying that nationwide a sab has never done anything to endanger a rider, etc.....but I've never seen it.

Either when hunting or now when going out with sabs. I've only just started going the last few weeks. If I'd seen anything bad I would not be happy. Only thing I've seen is where one sab grabbed a bridle of a house where the rider had purposefully trotted at a group of sabs. He grabbed the bridle in a safe manner to stop the horse. And then got punched repeatedly. From what I see they're passionate about animals (the sabs) inc the hounds and the horses.

@SteamedBadger35 Who is going out and harming people?

@steamedbadger35. It isn't over in 5 mins at all.

Most cows I see look fairly happy, in the fields eating grass. Being pregnant is a natural state for them and is what happens in the wild to most animals. Animals like cattle don't know they're destined for the abattoir. So no fear there. Unlike the fox whom is bloody terrified.

Who is going out and harming people

I haven't seen the actual story but the OP suggested that a 15 year old was pushed off a horse...

Is there any video evidence of this 15yo being pulled off a horse? I don't even see anything in the news about it?

Can find photos of huntsmen on horses trampling protestors and a photo of a sab with a bad face wound which they saw was caused by being punched by a hunt supporter.

I live in the country and foxes here are considered a pest as they kill new born lambs, chickens and any thing else they can catch, possibly causing these animals terrible injures and a slow death.
The local farmers have to do shoots to kill foxes to keep the numbers under control, if they didn't do this the fox population would kill far more farm animals.
The foxes can either be shot and possibly only wounded to escape and have a long painful death, or hunted by dogs and killed quickly.
Either way they will be killed .

ginghambox - they have, generally the sabs who intentionally cause serious harm are in the minority but it happens. That said, horses are big aminal that can spook fairly easily. Waving placards around - as happened at one hunt today - could easily result in someone being hurt by a skittish horse.

Another one who's ridden with the local hunt with hounds and it's a trail hunt. The dogs maintain the tradition and we often go to local shows to demonstrate the level of their training

hunted by dogs and chased for miles and possibly hours. Then found, dug out and button to death by dogs which is far from being killed quickly

Ftfy

@kalinkafoxtrot45 @KlutzyDraconequus it was a drag hunt - no foxes involved (not even a trail hunt).

The only thing they were protesting was essentially a group of nobs and their dogs going for a ride on Boxing Day in fancy clothes - hardly worth risking someone's life over.

@SteamedBadger35 So because one 15 year old was pushed off a horse that means that hunt saboteurs are going out to hurt people?

Anyone saying this is rare or rarely happens on a hunt either hasn't got a clue or has their head in the sand.

I've lived in 3 different places the last 2 years. In Norfolk they definitely catch foxes under the guise of a drag hunt. Near Sedgefeild for the time I lived there (6 months) I saw the hunt go across the front of my house and my land ( which I was renting short term as I had 3 horses) and about 1.5 mins ahead of it was a fox running literally for its life. And finally now I live in the south west it's the same here too.

Until I owned horses myself ( only in the last 3 years ) and got to know other riders and people who hunted in the areas I lived in I thought it was more of an anomaly for the hunt to actually catch and kill a horse but I'd say it's more common than people think sadly.

That said I hate sabs too, they scare the horses to a point where they become dangerous and can not only kill their riders but themselves too. It's a misguided and ill informed way to go about disrupting a hunt whatever good intention is meant behind their actions towards animals.