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Putting men before DCs

444 replies

Write · 20/12/2018 11:42

I expect to be flamed but I’m beyond caring at this stage, sorry if that sounds goady!

I know so many women in real life who have jeapordized their children’s quality of life for a new men and sadly I know a few who have endangered their children too. I feel like banging my head against a wall!

A relative of mine has just moved her two DCs away from their schools, family and even got rid of their beloved dog to move halfway across the county with a man who has never worked a day in his life into his tiny filthy flat.
I’ve had friends allow (and be delighted) with brand new boyfriends minding their under 2 year old babies.

I can’t see how these otherwise intelligent women can be so blinded by love!

OP posts:
WilburforceRaven · 20/12/2018 16:47

YANBU

SassitudeandSparkle · 20/12/2018 16:47

Men are frequently slated for the same behaviour, especially on here!

MrsAndrewEldritch · 20/12/2018 16:48

In my case it was both my idiotic selfish parents.

In hindsight, they were so well suited.

boringlyboring · 20/12/2018 16:49

No one here thinks it’s ok for dads to do this, but not mums but imo there is a difference in the potential consequences.

Anyone who jumps into playing happy families and pushing their kids into the arms of a stranger after 5 minutes is going to be blind to the risks that stranger might pose. Unfortunately though, a strange man can be a greater potential risk to vulnerable children, than a strange woman. Hopefully for reasons I don’t need to spell out.

Graphista · 20/12/2018 16:51

"Especially since it looked at crimes that the genetic parent commited." Did the studies that refuted establish that the genetic parent really was? There's a lot of men unconsciously raising children not genetically theirs too. But maybe they know it on an unconscious level and don't favour that child as a result?

Also who's challenged it? Parents I'd be sceptical of. I'd think you'd need input from parents and children and full facts on genetic info.

"Genuinely how is it devastating for the children?"

1 - it shows them they & their safety are not their parents priority - even if "it works out"

2 it teaches them their needs & feelings are less important than others - this makes them more vulnerable to abuse either from a step-parent, step or half sibling or even later when they're forming adult relationships.

3 - if it doesn't work out they're then victims of neglect or even abuse which I personally think nobody ever truly recovers from. Speaking as a child of an abusive marriage now aged 46 and still dealing with the repercussions myself. I can also spot a fellow victim at 20 paces in real life and there's a lot of us! Many of whom have parents who completely deny any wrongdoing occurred. I'm talking to the point of forgetting/denying hospital admissions & SS intervention.

4 being actual victims of childhood neglect/abuse makes them far more vulnerable to ending up in abusive relationships as adults. Or as has been stated becoming neglectful parents themselves.

"In my case my son was still a baby. Was I suppose to wait until he was old enough to speak to be able to have his consent to moving a man in?" Personally I'd say yes, until he's old enough you could get an opinion from him at least, a real sense of whether he liked him. Certainly until your child had enough time to get used to your boyfriend which certainly would take longer than 2 months!

Your honesty is impressive, how old is your son now? You may well not see the effects for many years. Even babies that are adopted are very carefully handled and supported because bonding issues etc really do happen from the beginning.

"because after being with someone for 2 months you have no idea what they are really like. Even if you had known him years beforehand you don't know what he's like in a relationship context." Totally agree. Look at all the abusive men who've committed the most atrocious acts and their friends had no idea what they were like. Street Angel house devil is a thing. My dad never displayed his true self outside the home. People described him as "a good bloke" "a true gent" "a loving husband" he was very careful about where he left bruises, trained mum to give all the usual excuses ("opened cupboard too fast and hit my eye" "slipped in shower" etc) and we kids did too - until we got old enough our own safety was less at risk and we had the maturity to recognise his behaviour was wrong and to challenge it. But it's difficult because we also knew we could be making things worse for mum.

I wouldn't have left my 5 month old daughter with a background checked professional childcarer I'd only known 2 months! Let alone a man I knew sod all about beyond charming, looks etc

"But I think that would be more reason to wait even longer, given your fragile mental state at the time." Agree.

"I know huggybear, he is a primary school teacher however so already had a full disclosure done so yes I do trust him whole heartedly" as stated upthread background checks don't mean someone is safe, just that at the time of the check being done they didn't have any cautions or convictions. My dad (abusive in every way you can think of) would pass a background check, several well known child killers and abusers would at one point have passed a background check. Some of them even did! Ian Huntley did, I think Savile did.

Adaline - they don't even necessarily show up arrests if insufficient evidence to charge.

Ohreally THIS thread is about mothers who put new partners ahead of DC. There's other threads - quite a lot - that decry men for doing so too. Neither is acceptable.

jessstan2 · 20/12/2018 16:55

There's nothing wrong in someone moving in if both parties take a lot of time to get to know eachother well, their children, wider family and friends. Most people are sensible like that, they consider their children first and take it steady so they can be as sure as possible they can blend. However there are some who can't wait, cannot bear being without a live in partner and settle for second or third best - or worse.

It can actually be quite fun being single. If you have a regular, reliable babysitter you can go out with friends and have dates without your children ever knowing. I don't mean that as being sly but just being discreet, private, not worrying them when it may come to nothing.

jessstan2 · 20/12/2018 16:57

PS What I said applies to both men and women.

ManicUnicorn · 20/12/2018 16:57

To quote my Aunt, who I consider to be a very wise woman 'it's a strange though they can't live without a fella'.

I work with kids and I see the damage this kind of behaviour inflicts on them. Is it reallyso hard to put your own children before your sex life?

Pinknike · 20/12/2018 17:06

I wish people would stop saying about people sex lives. It's so bloody crude.

Personally speaking my sex life was the least of my concerns.

I rather enjoyed my boyfriends company. It was rather nice to have someone to share interests with.

I realise that I keep defending my position and that not all circumstances are the same but if feels that there is so much stereotyping and scaremongering.

There are crap and abusive parents from all walks of life, even biological fathers. In fact very often women have ended up as single parents as a direct result of the biological parent being awful or abusive.

chillpizza · 20/12/2018 17:10

This is why I don’t believe in blended/step families even though I come from one myself.

If me and dh split up I won’t be living with another man and his children. I will date sure but that will be my private life not my
Family life. I’ve seen to many disasters and I’m not prepared to put my children though just to have some sausage live in my house.

IfNotNowBernard · 20/12/2018 17:16

Was I suppose to wait until he was old enough to speak to be able to have his consent to moving a man in?

Yes basically. Why is that so hard to do?

Sashkin · 20/12/2018 17:18

FFS nobody is saying single mothers can’t have boyfriends! We are saying that moving in somebody that you have known for less than 60 days and leaving them in sole charge of your infant, or moving your teenage children across the country and back again, disrupting their schooling, for the sake of somebody you met via OLD (ie you barely know them), or any of the other examples given, are shit parenting. Whichever parent does it, but as mothers are usually RPs, it’s mostly mothers. NRPs have their own set of shutting parenting behaviours.

Not sure why people are extrapolating from that to “oh so if I’m a single mother I have to be celibate until I die do I?” Complete straw man.

Sashkin · 20/12/2018 17:19

shitty parenting, not shutting parenting

blackteasplease · 20/12/2018 17:20

I dont know anyone who's done this.

I know people who've done a lot of negligent things re their dcs well being though.

Pinknike · 20/12/2018 17:23

Sashkin some people more or less are saying that though.

There are plenty of posters here saying they don't believe blended families ever work.

Implying that children will resent their mothers when they're adults because they did.

ManicUnicorn · 20/12/2018 17:25

PinkNike that's fine, but you can enjoy someone's company without involving your children. Why the need to move them in when you've only known them five minutes?

Pinknike · 20/12/2018 17:35

Magicunicorn well personally I didn't move anyone in after 5 minutes and I don't think I've defended that action.

However I will admit that as a young single parent at the time, I actively wanted and hoped that one day I might be married, have more children etc. I wouldn't have sought this out at any cost to the detriment of my child.

Huggybear16 · 20/12/2018 17:39

If I have understood correctly:

@boringlyboring
@WestBerlin
@FaFoutis
@TotallyKerplunked
@MrsAndrewEldritch

have all been "the child" in a situation such as this. This suggests that this is far, far too common.

Also, for anyone who is unsure if the OP is being unreasonable, I'd suggest reading their posts on this thread. Of course there will be lasting damage to your child if you behave like this, as these posters have very kindly explained how it has affected them.

NameChanger22 · 20/12/2018 17:50

As a single mum I'm often told I should get back out there, that I will meet the right person one day (I'm not looking, thanks), that I'm wrong for wanting to be alone etc etc. I'm happy alone, but I don't look down on anyone that wants to find another partner.

I agree there are plenty of abusive men out there, plenty of women are married to them and sometimes oblivious to what they are up to. Abusive men don't just take the form of boyfriends, the are also husbands, family members, friends, teachers, bus drivers, swimming instructors, dog walkers etc. Whether I'm single or not I can't shield my child from every man on the planet, unless I home school and we never leave the house.

A number of girls in my class were sexually abused by my teacher when I was 10. It made no difference whether their mothers were single, married, sexless or serial shaggers. Time we stopped blaming women for what men get up to, or things will never change.

Huggybear16 · 20/12/2018 17:56

A number of girls in my class were sexually abused by my teacher when I was 10

@madnstressed Further proof for you that a being a teacher does not necessarily mean he can be trusted with your child.

MrsAndrewEldritch · 20/12/2018 17:58

Yes, i was the child.

I am NC with both my parents now my DC are over 18.

I have struggled with self esteem issues, feeling second best, my feelings and needs being a lower priority than others, the long list a pp above set out is very accurate.

Luckily i am a stubborn resilient git and i found meaning in the suffering; ie i didnt perpetuate the cycle with my own divorce. Neither did my exh who had also had a shit time of a similar nature.

If you think it has no impact you are blindly mistaken.

FaFoutis · 20/12/2018 18:03

It was both my parents who did this. I had nobody from the age of 5. I'm a similar mess to Mrs Eldritch.
It's still a struggle for me to believe that I matter at all and I'm 47.

If you do this to your children and tell yourself children are resilient or whatever tosh, you are wrong.

pouffypouf · 20/12/2018 18:09

My mum did this. I can’t bear what she ended up doing to all us dc. She met my dad in her home country came to uk with her dd from another marriage promptly raised that dd until she inconvenienced her enough to put her in boarding school then moved to a different country to start a new family ie when I and younger sibling was born
My dad was an abusive alcoholic. We all suffered and when my sis was old enough to throw her out he did. She was completely alone not being from this is country and we were too much younger than her to be able to help. She did well in the end.

One of my other friends stayed with an awful guy (who wasn’t father of her dc) for his money so she could shower her young dc in new things and update fb with pics of flashy cars. I kept telling her maybe sort her life out but don’t rely on him. Surprise surprise after she’s got her dc calling him daddy from day one (he never moved in with her) until the magical day he decided he didn’t want to play shag a vulnerable woman with dc and walked out one day for the millionth time.
I have zero respect for these women. Including my own mum. No excuses. You have dc you care for them. End of. It’s unfortunate it’s often the mother’s problem but that’s the way it is.

Shepherdspieisminging · 20/12/2018 18:15

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TheBigBangRocks · 20/12/2018 18:37

Was I suppose to wait until he was old enough to speak to be able to have his consent to moving a man in

Yes I'd say. In reality very few ask, the children just have to live with the adults choices which usually evolve around what the adults want.

This is why I don’t believe in blended/step families even though I come from one myself

Me neither, it's not something I would ever want for my children. Too many downsides expecially when there are other children involved.

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