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To ask what we have to look forward to after March 29th 2019

389 replies

Bearbehind · 18/12/2018 18:40

It turns out Theresa May’s definition of ‘soverignity and democracy’ is to postpone a democratic vote, not allow anyone except her to change their mind and generally run to clock down until her deal is the only option.

So what do people think about that?

What are the benefits we have to look forward to when we leave the EU given it turns out ‘they don’t actually need is more than we need them’ after all?

What are we doing this for?

(And for those who want to ignore Brexit, don’t read this thread. Equally, this is the biggest thing this country has ever faced in most of our generation so please don’t banish this to the Brexit section)

OP posts:
1981m · 19/12/2018 20:22

More 18-39 year olds should have voted. If you didn't vote, you can't moan about the situation.

I think the protest votes like not voting, spoiling ballot paper out of principle are stupid and a waste of time. They don't prove a point, no one cares when they are being counted. If those people had voted at all or voted properly they could really have made a difference

F1ame · 19/12/2018 20:27

Has anyone come up with a benefit yet? If so, could you just summarise please.

Anyone else’s house price fallen yet? It’s definitely hit London, so I’m just wondering how the rest of the UK is faring?

recently · 19/12/2018 20:32

Pet passports won't be valid under a No Deal either so if you're thinking of risking a holiday, don't plan on taking pets!

Togaandsandals · 19/12/2018 21:00

A clear appraisal of the consequences of no deal and trading only on WTO rules which no developed country has done. In fact no country. Also WTO rules do not cover science, planes, cross-border healthcare (EHIC), financial passporting & most services, EMA, ERN (rare diseases), ECDC, citizens' rights, Euratom.

To ask what we have to look forward to after March 29th 2019
1981m · 19/12/2018 22:09

Possible benefit- we will be forced to use local providers again and shop at local businesses. No more cheap imports from
Lidl and Aldi. We will get used to not having fruit and vegetables out of season all year round?

1981m · 19/12/2018 22:11

I can comprehend the argument people are making that poor people voted for leave because they wanted a better and standard of living and to get out the gutter. How did anyone think Brexit was going to provide that? I think many people were lied to.

1981m · 19/12/2018 22:11
  • can't comprehend should read.
ForalltheSaints · 19/12/2018 22:12

UnnecessaryFennel no 37% is a majority according to Jacob Rees-Mogg, at least if he is part of the 37%.

buckingfrolicks · 19/12/2018 22:20

It will be a disaster. Leavers seem to think come "the day" "it" will all be over. Dumbwits. Leaving Europe will take years. Years in which we get poorer, more fractured, our politicians can't address core social and economic issues cos they are taken up with exiting.

Have you leavers registered the number of new civil servants taken on specifically to try and hold things together due to Brexit?

I am agog at the stupidity of leave voters. Turkeys voting for Xmas doesn't come into it.

Cattenberg · 19/12/2018 23:18

The total implosion of the Tory party.

That would be something to look forward to and I think it's very likely, unless Labour are daft enough to wrest the poison chalice from the Tories. Brexit is a high price to pay for this, though.

Losing the right to live and work in 27 other countries will not give me a feeling of freedom. It genuinely makes me feel trapped, and sad about what my family are losing. If Brexit led to the right to live and work in other Commonwealth countries (for example), that would soften the blow, but there's been no evidence of that.

TomPinch · 20/12/2018 00:31

We will get used to not having fruit and vegetables out of season all year round?

No, you'll get more food from outside the EU, possibly tariff-free. But that depends. It's relevant to note that the EU has been nosing around Australia and NZ for a trade deal after giving them the finger for decades. The EU has also taken steps to prevent trade talks between the UK and those countries.

Given that the EU has traditionally treated those countries as an economic threat, the clear conclusion is that the EU is attempting to outflank the UK.

The EU has traditionally been pretty overbearing towards countries outside its borders. Those who regard the EU as the world's bastion of civilisation ought to realise this. The UK will be treated no differently. There is an excellent article in the Spectator by Ivan Rogers backing this up. Rogers used to be the UK's permanent representative to the EU and despite writing in the Spectator he is no supporter of Brexit.

1981m · 20/12/2018 17:46

Tom- but potentially prices for goods from
Those countries will be higher if we can't negotiate a good trade price plus they are physically coming from further away so won't be as cheap,fresh or a quick turn around as food imported from countries nearby. I think this will put people off and will make them support local farms and shops nearby. If we still have a high street by then it could go back to basics on the high street and local businesses could boom again? If father aren't totally down the pan by then.

KennDodd · 20/12/2018 18:57

We will get used to not having fruit and vegetables out of season all year round?

So restricted choice of food is a benefit we can look forward to.

Helmetbymidnight · 20/12/2018 18:59

We demand scurvey and rickets!
Too much fruit = whinging snowflake
Didn’t do me no harm
Etc etc

Whataboutbobbo · 20/12/2018 19:42

Would it be bad to book summer holiday now before we know what's going to happen???

1981m · 20/12/2018 19:47

Kenn- no, support to local businesses and reduces our carbon footprint not importing items which can be bought locally. I actually think that's a good thing.

jasjas1973 · 20/12/2018 19:59

1981m - we' ve not the capacity to produce enough locally sourced food and whilst i agree its ridiculous to import Blueberries from Peru etc
we also need to consider that for many developing countries, exotic fruit & veg export is a vital source of income.

Of course manufacturing our own clothing, building materials etc sounds a great idea but it will be expensive, wage and benefit increases which will be demanded will cause inflation, meaning higher prices etc etc etc

badlydrawnperson · 20/12/2018 20:30

This is a good game.

OP comes up with terribly original "just tell us one benefit to leaving" thread.

99% pile in saying "there are none"

Any leavers daring to post are pilloried and ridiculed as stupid illogical racist old gammon etc etc

Rinse and repeat.

It's not really helping anyone much is it?

WrenNatsworthy · 20/12/2018 20:33

The Easter Holidays?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/12/2018 20:36

Would it be bad to book summer holiday now before we know what's going to happen???

I hope so, mine has been booked for ages

If it doesnt happen im coming back on here for a whip round...or a go fund me

Moussemoose · 20/12/2018 20:39

Well it would help if leavers came up with 3 good reasons that were referenced and credible.

It's a cliche for a reason.

Hopefully, it may occur to lurkers who are unsure there is a weight of reasoned, referenced arguments on one side and cliches and slogans on the other.

Helmetbymidnight · 20/12/2018 20:42

I thought brexit was about doing trade - not with our closest neighbours but doing better deals with countries much further away instead.
So reducing our carbon footprint? Nooo. (You’ll note of course the greens don’t support Brexit either but hey, pretend it will be great for the environment).

badlydrawnperson · 20/12/2018 20:45

Well it would help if leavers came up with 3 good reasons that were referenced and credible.

Well it wouldn't because anything they say will be immediately ridiculed and dismissed.

I understand because it's the same as me asking why someone would vote Tory - there is no answer that would carry any weight with me as I cannot understand any logical reason to vote Tory unless you are a multi-millionaire (and I don't know any).

But it's a bit pointless asking for "reasons" when you know already that you think no reason could every be credible or acceptable.

Elfinablender · 20/12/2018 20:47

Well, I voted to remain but as I see it...The government will not be able to use the EU as a scapegoat for everything that they are unwilling to engage with. So when they sat on their hands when ssi went under and they complained that they would like to help but the big bad EU wouldn't let them there will be more accountability for the weasel like behaviour.

1981m · 20/12/2018 20:53

I know it's about being able to trade elsewhere and not being restricted by EU trade regulation. But if we have a no deal and perhaps if we have TMs deal the consensus is prices of good and goods will
Most certainly rise.

I am wondering if the result will make us become more self sufficient, export more instead of replying on imports. Being forced to manufacture more of our own products again and increase our capacity to do so rapidly after reducing it so much over the decades. Perhaps we will have more British manufacturers again rather than them going abroad or brought out by overseas manufacturers.

Inflation would make prices rise here and again if we don't have the capacity at first to manufacturer our own goods prices will rise but all evidence points to prices rising anyway.

I think no more cheap, plastic rubbish manufactured abroad could be a good thing.