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Original poster

To ask what we have to look forward to after March 29th 2019

389 replies

Bearbehind · 18/12/2018 18:40

It turns out Theresa May’s definition of ‘soverignity and democracy’ is to postpone a democratic vote, not allow anyone except her to change their mind and generally run to clock down until her deal is the only option.

So what do people think about that?

What are the benefits we have to look forward to when we leave the EU given it turns out ‘they don’t actually need is more than we need them’ after all?

What are we doing this for?

(And for those who want to ignore Brexit, don’t read this thread. Equally, this is the biggest thing this country has ever faced in most of our generation so please don’t banish this to the Brexit section)

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Justanotherlurker · 19/12/2018 10:52

Also, it'll cost them less in the long run in the event of no SM to shut down and relocate overseas. If you refuse to see that it's not my fault.

And you ignoring a nobel prize winning economist and only reading the headlines you wish to is why this whole debate is just people throwing soundbites at each other.

You have not proved otherwise.

In case you want to ignore him again

Justanotherlurker · 19/12/2018 10:52

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bellinisurge · 19/12/2018 10:58

What am I looking forward to? For a brief moment I will have a warm fuzzy feeling of being right. A feeling which will last about a minute.

Goldenbear · 19/12/2018 11:03

There are none, zero, zilch!

In 1994 we took my Grandad to Normandy to mark the 50th anniversary of the d day landings, it was a very emotional time, I had never seen him cry before but this was because he had forgotten it all, wiped it from his memory, visiting Gold beach the memories of seeing his friend's head been blown off, lying face down on the sand for hours because of heavy machine gun fire, he didn't get off the beach until 4ish in the afternoon! It affected my Grandad for the rest of his life. Being part of Europe has led to a lifetime of peace and prosperity for most of us, I can't believe we are chucking this all away! The most famous Tory in history said this about Europe-
'We must proclaim the mission and design of a united Europe, whose moral conception will win the respect and gratitude of mankind and whose physical strength will be such that none will dare molest her tranquil sway … I hope to see a Europe where men and women of every country will think of being European as of belonging to their native land, and wherever they go in this wide domain will truly feel, ‘Here I am at home’.”

MagnificentSevenHeaven · 19/12/2018 11:07

I'll be doing the same as I did this year....

Birthdays, Fishing, BBQ's, a bit of camping, lots of kayaking.

Will be off paddling to the Alps again, a couple of non-EU holidays to catch the sun.

Not planning on anything too dramatic...

bellinisurge · 19/12/2018 11:17

Not short of a bob or two then, are you @MagnificentSevenHeaven ? Telling.

Dongdingdong · 19/12/2018 11:20

I try to avoid commenting on the Brexit threads generally, as they tend to be full of very abusive, angry people and tin-foil hat types. However, one point that does irritate me is this:

Less pressure on our services
Yes, when the people who provide services leave, or no longer come her to provide them, I'm sure everything will be much better.

There's no reason whatsoever why immigrants working in the NHS or various other places should suddenly vanish once we leave the EU. We'll be in control of our borders and can continue to invite as many immigrants to this country - skilled or otherwise - as we want.

KennDodd · 19/12/2018 11:21

@surferjet

Well done, enjoy your victory. Are your children and grandchild also looking forward to the 'feeling of freedom' that you are, without johnny foreigner blighting there lives and making them feel like a 'foreigner in their own country'?

recently · 19/12/2018 11:23

We'll be in control of our borders and can continue to invite as many immigrants to this country - skilled or otherwise - as we want. You seem to think people are clamouring to come in! Nurses from the EU have already seen a huge fall in recruitment numbers. Strangely people don't want to come to a country which treats them like the government does.

KennDodd · 19/12/2018 11:24

There's no reason whatsoever why immigrants working in the NHS or various other places should suddenly vanish once we leave the EU

They are leaving though, they know they're not welcome and make people like @surferjet and her children/grandchildren feel like 'foreigners in their own country'.

recently · 19/12/2018 11:24

(And we were already in control of our borders).

Original poster
Bearbehind · 19/12/2018 11:26

There's no reason whatsoever why immigrants working in the NHS or various other places should suddenly vanish once we leave the EU

Doesn’t that just typify the mind of an average Leaver who assumes that the perception is that people from other countries will always be climbing over themselves to come here, no matter how we treat them.

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Jazzybeats · 19/12/2018 11:33

£30k income for migrants. Not sure how many nurses earn that.

MagnificentSevenHeaven · 19/12/2018 11:33

Not short of a bob or two then, are you

Really? Average wage here cheers.

Birthdays, Fishing, BBQ's, a bit of camping, lots of kayaking cost fuel, booze & food - not a lot.

Week in the Alps kayaking, £350 all in.

Couple of weekend breaks away - Bosnia, Turkey, don't cost much.

I reckon I spend less on that lot than your average 2 week family holiday away.

Just because you'll have to stay at home & finish off the mountain of tinned food you got in, before it goes off, just to prove a point doesn't mean the rest of us won't just get on with life & carry on.....

icannotremember · 19/12/2018 11:33

There's no reason whatsoever why immigrants working in the NHS or various other places should suddenly vanish once we leave the EU

They are leaving already, and replacements are not planning to come. Why the fuck would anyone want to migrate to a country displaying such hostility and unpleasantness to migrants?

Quietrebel · 19/12/2018 11:34

There's no reason whatsoever why immigrants working in the NHS or various other places should suddenly vanish once we leave the EU

No, no reason at all... except for being pointed at as being the number 1 blight on this country, so terrible it's worth committing economic suicide! Fucking insulting.

MagnificentSevenHeaven · 19/12/2018 11:36

the perception is that people from other countries will always be climbing over themselves to come here, no matter how we treat them.

Hmm, given that some have been doing it, living 20 to a barn and eating what they're given by the overseers just to pick crops, yes - some are climbing over themselves to come here - because it'll always be better than the alternative in their own country.

The UK will always be a desirable place to live - look at the huge numbers of non-EU people that come over here...

UnnecessaryFennel · 19/12/2018 11:40

I can assure Leavers that nurses are absolutely NOT clamouring to come here, even now, pre-March 2019. And, on top of that, applications to train as a nurse or a midwife have fallen through the floor. The idea that the NHS will somehow be under less pressure come Brexit is laughable - well, it would be laughable if it wasn't actually terrifying.

I can't even begin with the rest of surfer's comments. Driving the country towards economic and social turmoil so you can have a 'feeling of freedom'? God help us all.

MagnificentSevenHeaven · 19/12/2018 11:50

applications to train as a nurse or a midwife have fallen through the floor

To be fair, half of that was due to making a Degree a requirement....

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/12/2018 11:52

fennel

Friend of mine deals with nurse recruitment

We dont catch up much as she lives too far away, but the stuff she is telling me about recruitment is horrendous

The whole of the NHS is under pressure and has been for years,

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/12/2018 11:52

To be fair, half of that was due to making a Degree a requirement....

Removing the bursary has also made a huge difference

Helmetbymidnight · 19/12/2018 12:01

My Brexiteer friends are all over fb with this.
Hardship and suffering together. Will be great apparently. Especially for sick and elderly. They will love it.
Plus Brexiteers knew all along, it was about suffering together and they wanted it. Grin
Repeats to self: We are not allowed to say they are stupid. We are not allowed to say they are stupid.

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-no-deal-blessing-sas-anthony-middleton/?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=ijp&fbclid=IwAR33VXRCV-PL-rNm9f6fNVYwd8sdZyIHK2iffp3FApry3Z9ALZx3wYor4IM

UnnecessaryFennel · 19/12/2018 12:05

To be fair, half of that was due to making a Degree a requirement...

Nursing applications alone fell by 23% last year.

Absolutely nothing to do with making it a degree programme. The removal of the bursary has had an appalling effect on nurse recruitment.This is will have significant knock-on effects in the next few years as fewer nurses come through their training to work in the NHS. Same for midwifery.

Dongdingdong · 19/12/2018 12:08

They are leaving already, and replacements are not planning to come. Why the fuck would anyone want to migrate to a country displaying such hostility and unpleasantness to migrants?

The number of NHS staff working in hospitals and community health services in England from the rest of the EU is thought to have risen by around 4,400 between June 2016 and June 2018. Why don't you ask some of them?

Oh, and another Brexit thread poster who's incapable of communicating without using the F word I see... Hmm