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***WARNING DISTRESSING CONTENT*** 139 Women murdered by men in 2017

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CaveMum · 18/12/2018 10:26

I know IANBU but posting here for traffic.

The 2017 Femicide Census was released late yesterday, detailing the women murdered in the UK by men during 2017. Here’s the Guardian’s coverage

DISTRESSING CONTENT

Three-quarters of women killed by men in the UK in 2017 knew the perpetrator, according to a report on femicide.

The Femicide Census, conducted by Women’s Aid and the campaigner Karen Ingala Smith, found that of the 139 women known to have been killed by men in the UK last year, 105 (76%) knew their killer. Thirty women were killed by strangers, with 21 of the 30 killed in terrorist attacks.

The report found that 64 of the women, or 46%, were killed by a current or former intimate partner. Another 24 (17%) were killed by a man known to them – such as a colleague, neighbour or friend – while 17 (12%) were killed by a male family member, of whom 10 were killed by their son. The perpetrator’s relationship to the victim could not be established in four cases.

A sharp instrument was used as a weapon in 66 cases, or 47%, while 82 (59%) were killed at home. More than half of women killed by a former partner were killed within the first month of separation; almost 90% of the same subset were killed within the first year of separation.

For the first time, the Femicide Census collected data on “overkilling”, killings where the force or method used was greater than that required to kill the victim. “Overkilling” was evident in 58 (42%) of the cases.

In one case, a victim was stabbed 175 times, while in others women were “hit 40 times with an axe”, “bludgeoned repeatedly” and “battered virtually beyond all recognition”.

Ingala Smith, the chief executive of the domestic violence charity Nia, said: “The use of excessive violence or desecration after death challenges narratives of momentary loss of control that are especially prevalent in relation to domestic violence.

“Instead it highlights the brutality and misogyny that men bring to their violence against women whether dead or alive and challenges benign rationales given by men which are often accepted and repeated in media coverage of the killings of women.”

Smith said the report challenged widely held assumptions about the nature of violence in society. “The dominant perception of knife crime is one of young men and street violence yet the Femicide Census tells us that 47% of women were killed by knives or sharp objects; in fact, this is the most common method used by men to kill women,” she said.

“It may also surprise some to learn that 40% of women killed by men were aged over 45 and 14% were over the age of 66. Where analyses of violent crime do not look at sex disaggregated data, violence against women continues to be overlooked and made invisible.”

Katie Ghose, the chief executive of Women’s Aid, called on the government to ensure its domestic abuse bill, due to be published imminently, delivered both the legislation and the resources needed to respond effectively to domestic abuse.

“Time and time again, we hear of cases where a woman has been killed by a man as an ‘isolated incident’; yet the latest Femicide Census report shows yet again that this is not the case,” she said. “The majority of these cases are not isolated incidents. There are too many similarities in the circumstances where women are killed by men.”

The Femicide Census contains information on more than 1,000 women killed by men in England and Wales since 2009, Northern Ireland as of 2015 and Scotland as of 2017. A number of cases of suspected femicide are still under investigation, making it likely that the real 2017 figure is higher than that recorded by the report.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/18/femicide-in-uk-76-of-women-killed-by-men-in-2017-knew-their-killer

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YoungLennyGodber · 18/12/2018 18:56

And Yes you do share the blame. Sorry but ya just do.

That’s unfair - good men can’t take on all the guilt of other men simply because they’re same sex.

Sad
rightreckoner · 18/12/2018 18:58

Men are to blame where they close down discussion of this subject. Men need to start allowing discussion of male violence.

Pumperthepumper · 18/12/2018 19:01

YoungLenny if the man is likely to turn violent towards someone stepping in then is it not also likely he’d be violent to a woman who turned him down? And she’s innocent too, more so probably because she had no choice in that interaction.

But I don’t think ‘policing your peers’ means keeping an eye out for a damsel in distress - more low key, day to day stuff. Comments about women drivers, or derogatory remarks about your female boss or whether or not you’d do the office temp and so on. Women are so often bullied into keeping quiet, told we’re humerlous or hysterical- the kind of men who make these comments only respect other men.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 18/12/2018 19:04

Why isn't this IN feminism? I've not been around too much in last 4 yrs but why is that board all about trans issues now? Confused - not wanting to start a bun fight but I did quite enjoy the old boards and I miss them Sad

Flooffloof · 18/12/2018 19:05

Young lenny
I stand by my statement. He is just as guilty.
Patriarchy innit.
He can't see it because he is inside it.
I am 100%certain that at some point he said of some woman being catcalled or harassed, or was on the news for a serious assault
"She was asking for it, wearing that outfit"

Every man I know and quite a few women have said that.

LilMy33 · 18/12/2018 19:08

I knew the second I opened this thread there would be at least 1 person going on about “what about men suffering violence” and NAMALT. Fuck sake. This was a report by women’s aid about the problem that is violence by men against women, murders in this case.

If violence against men upsets you so much (it does me by the way) then by all means get out there and campaign, do surveys, petition the government, make changes. But please, don’t piggyback things like this that women’s aid and the like have done and make it about your own issue.

As for the article itself, it doesn’t shock me that the violence goes on, I myself have lived in refuge because of a violent man but the level of hatred against women (and these types hate women, plural) takes my breath away. To stab someone 174 times for example is something I can’t comprehend. I hate my ex but even now I can’t imagine wanting to be that violent towards him or anyone else. But I wish he felt what I felt, just once. The fear, the pain, the humiliation.

JacquesHammer · 18/12/2018 19:09

Every man I know and quite a few women have said that

I’m quite sad by that. I know some amazing men who acknowledge their privilege and accept how the patriarchy works and do what they can to change it.

I’m even sadder that other women would say it

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 18/12/2018 19:18

LonelyandTiredandLow

There is a thread about this in feminism.

Flooffloof · 18/12/2018 19:20

I’m even sadder that other women would say it

Shocked me, until I realised they say it to convince themselves they will be safe. So long as they don't wear such revealing clothes/walk down that dark alley/flirt, whatever it was that woman did. I do my best to fix this stuff, but they don't want to think they too are vulnerable.

As an aside, I had a conversation with someone, can't quite remember what about, but at the end, I said "men aren't just entitled to sex you know" his face was quite striking as he went through the thought process. He did understand but I think no one had ever said it so baldly.

UpstartCrow · 18/12/2018 19:21

I dont have a share token for the article but this is a good way of looking at it;

''If two men were killed at the football every week, it would be a scandal - so why don't we care it's happening to women?''

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/two-men-killed-football-every-week-would-scandal-dont-care/

YoungLennyGodber · 18/12/2018 19:22

@Flooffloof
I can’t agree with you there. I don’t feel responsible for the actions of women who do bad things. I’m only responsible for my own.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 18/12/2018 19:45

Tha k you Zut - wasnt in my active convos - am on mob so not as easy to find Grin

CaveMum · 18/12/2018 19:57

Sadly things will not improve in the short term, I fear 2018 will prove to have been far worse. As I quoted from another Guardian article earlier in the thread, 27 women have been murdered in DV incidents in London alone this year, up from “just” 9 in 2017 Angry Sad

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TeeJay1970 · 18/12/2018 20:52

I've always know a significant number of men hate women
It wasn't until I joined Mumsnet that I finally found out that a significantly high number of women hate men.

The women in question - many of whom are on this thread - are on the inside of it and therefore unable to see it.

It's feminism innit.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 18/12/2018 20:54

It never fails to baffle me how little press and coverage this gets

I suppose people will argue that men murder more Men

I wonder what our next generation will be like ? Our boys . Better or worse as so many will have been bought up by more feminist parents ?

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 18/12/2018 20:55

TeeJay

Yes . Now you say it .....

nicenewdusters · 18/12/2018 21:08

I don't hate men. I hate patriarchy and male entitlement.

CaveMum · 19/12/2018 20:13

With Christmas just around the corner, if you can please spare a thought for your local Women’s Aid shelter. There will be women and children who have possibly fled abusive situations with nothing but the clothes on their backs, as well as the amazing volunteers and staff that look after and support the,.

Maybe think about buying an extra Christmas pudding or box of crackers when you do your food shop this week and drop it off at a shelter. Alternatively if you don’t have any spare money, any old toys your children no longer play with or any old (but good quality) clothes that you were planning on taking to the charity shop could make someone’s day. Just make sure you phone the Shelter first to ask what they are in need of as many do not have the space to store large numbers of items for future use.

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peakSafeSpace · 20/12/2018 06:56

"And Yes you do share the blame. Sorry but ya just do."

It's that kind of ignorant thinking which turns so many men off caring. Men are not to blame for a man's actions.

"If violence against men upsets you so much (it does me by the way) then by all means get out there and campaign, do surveys, petition the government, make changes."

When they do it's shouted down by women saying that they have it worse.

Bluebonnieblue · 20/12/2018 06:59

I don't think they should include victims of terrorist attacks personally. That's not really an attack on women. I recognised one of the poor girls who was killed during the Manchester Arena bombing in the Daily Fail article - her boyfriend who was also killed had just been dropped out of the photo of her and I couldn't help but think that this was wrong and insensitive and also misleading.

Bluebonnieblue · 20/12/2018 07:02

Cropped, not dropped

Goposie · 20/12/2018 09:42

So frustrated by some of the minority views on here I don’t know where to begin but this is a good article
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/04/domestic-violence-abuse-patrick-stewart-david-challen-hart-brothers?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR1LUDIttj8YC8nKGxUnVHrNaxCsqlSY-rdjF98JiZc-ziG1c5cZAlxWrRQ

Pumperthepumper · 20/12/2018 10:20

It's that kind of ignorant thinking which turns so many men off caring. Men are not to blame for a man's actions.

Do you really think men are this petty? They won’t do anything about male violence because women want them all to take responsibility for it?

CardsforKittens · 20/12/2018 10:20

Thanks for the link Goposie, that's a great article. Interesting that men who campaign against male violence are also called man-haters. I was thinking about Patrick Stewart earlier in the thread - I've seen him interviewed about his experiences and he's really compelling.

peakSafeSpace · 20/12/2018 11:45

@Pumperthepumper

Yes. I also don't like the way you say "women". It makes us sound like a homogeneous blob of group-thinkers.

I don't expect anyone to take responsibility for anything because they share characteristics with the perpetrator.

Tell me, how do you take responsibility for infanticide?