To blame Have I Got News For You for the mess we’re currently in?

[BertrandRussell]

None of this would have happened if Johnston, Farage and Rees-Mogg hadn’t been invited on and been allowed to present themselves as “good sports”.

especially of the mass migration of Muslims to Europe, especially in such a short period, would be a disaster.

I don’t really care who migrants are in terms of colour or religion. I have a general feeling that we should favour migrants from ex British colonies because they have contributed to the wealth of this nation and fought alongside us when we were threatened and have generally maintained friendly relations with us. Europeans have generally involved us in costly wars which have relatively impoverished us and have frequently been hostile and fought against us.

EU laws have frequently damaged preferential trade relations we had with our former Empire. Being forced to take bananas from huge South American plantations rather than the Windward Islands and St Lucia and St Vincent are a case in point.

I know remainers will say nothing is owed to friendly nations that leave a union. But I disagree. I think we owe our former colonies and would be quite happy if people from them had preferential treatment in terms of migration.

But it should be at manageable levels that we control and that we have adequate capacity for in terms of housing and services.

If there is a problem with some Muslims, then we need to be able to tighten our laws so hostile and undesirable migrants of any nationality, race or religion can be removed easily. That way we would all feel confident the Muslims who are here aren’t extremists and the rest of them wouldn’t be tainted by a few bad apples.

I have a general feeling that we should favour migrants from ex British colonies because they have contributed to the wealth of this nation and fought alongside us when we were threatened and have generally maintained friendly relations with us. Europeans have generally involved us in costly wars which have relatively impoverished us and have frequently been hostile and fought against us.

Come on!!!!!!!

Seriously?

I mean I know Brexiters think leaving the EU is a return to empire but come on.

What European wars exactly are you talking about the Great Britain being dragged into? Also you seem to forget about the European men and women who fought for the allies during the war often in the most dangerous of roles.

Also why on earth would the colonies most if not all we stole from and subjugated them. Thinking their citizens were uncivilised we brutalised and took advantage off them, why on earth would they want to do good advantageous trade deals with us.

Exactly Maldives . Listening to radio 4 just now, a programme about what the rest of the world thinks of us, the Indian representative said ' well of course we have historical and social links with England but the reality is that our children aspire to live in the USA and we are looking to China for inward investment'. (Not precise quote but near enough.) Where is the UK in all of this? Answer= not anywhere very much, especially once we have lost our "value/influence" as part of the world's richest trading block.

It's true, if it weren't for us and the despised Yankees there would be no EU, but we're the ones supposed to eternally reliant on it.

well of course we have historical and social links with England but the reality is that our children aspire to live in the USA and we are looking to China for inward investment'.

Said the Indian man, in English.

Said the Indian man, in English.

No, female representative of the Indian Government. Speaking in English because she was being interviewed by Radio 4.

There is the usual stuff going on here. There are those who quite despise their country and its culture and who believe it cannot produce or innovate in any regard, further that any historical cultural or scientific achievements were only because of exploitation and enslavement. And nothing to do with hard work and ingenuity.

Basically that all achievements of the UK are entirely undeserved and are no reflection on the inhabitants.

It's a terrible reading of history and it amazes me that so many people swallow it. It's these people that are basically saying now we are nothing without high immigration and the EU.

"It's true, if it weren't for us and the despised Yankees there would be no EU, but we're the ones supposed to eternally reliant on it"

Actually not, if it hadn't been for the Eastern front the Western Front wouldn't have been possible. The Russians won the war against the Germans, the US against the Japanese.

Of course had the UK and France not insisted on beggar my neighbor policies at Versailles the 2nd war may never have happened.

Strawman fail there Elon, no one has said that.

seen this?

The Russians won the war against the Germans, the US against the Japanese

False. As you are well aware the us and the UK were the primary powers who liberated France. When the French turned up as one of the 4 victorious powers at then end of the war, the Germans could not believe it. France had been conquered and largley cooperated with the Germans.

Who gave the French the narrative that they played a decisive role in the liberation (not occupation which is what the Soviets would have done) of western Europe ? The idea of a strong and defiant French ? What thanks did they get for it from Dr Gaulle ?

Still you try to find a way to make the whole thing partly our fault.

Elon, the 'usual stuff is going on here'. It is. Isnt it time you stopped it?

@ElonMask

Boris is right, the Russians did win the war against the Germans.

The US took the credit, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it was Russia.

Its not false, without the Eastern front the Western would not have been possible.

But that doesn't fit your narrative of the British being great. We were even a minor player in D day.

When will people wake up and realise that political events abroad and globally will have far more influence on our country than those that will ever be engendered by our own making? And this being the case, the more political alignments and associations we can make across the world, the better.

Having a healthy flow of migrants back and forth to the UK who are educated, trained, work, live in the UK and stay here or go back to their home countries allowing the exchange of know-how, skills and ideas is ultimately good for the UK. This also serves to control the less-than-ideal influences (misogyny) that some immigrants bring with them that a pp referred to. Overall though, the benefits of migration, far outweigh the negative points.

Do people ever consider what instability could be occuring in Eastern Europe now given Putin's activities in the Crimea/Ukraine, if the EU hadn't opened up accession to these countries?

Its not false, without the Eastern front the Western would not have been possible.

Without the western front what would have happened ? It's sickening that you can't even bring yourself to admit the truth. The Germans were defeated on two fronts, the UK and US liberated France, the Germans didn't just fucking hand it back. You piss all over the achievements of our forebears.

Occupied France was still sending trains to the death camps weeks before d day. They played little part in their liberation and yet the UK and the US helped them paint themselves as the victors. The whole EU project is made possible by these events and the security guarantee of the despised USA. The idea that the Soviet Union should be given the credit for post war western European success is just incredible.

Had the German's defeated the Russians in 1942 then there would have been no Western Front.

In fact the Russians had been pushing back the Germans back since 1943 and had captured a significant number of troops at Stalingrad.

it was almost 18 months later that the Western Front began, by which time the Russians had driven back the German's from almost all Russian territory and were at the borders of Poland, having captured hundreds of thousands of German troops already.

Oh and you keep saying the "despised USA" I don't think anyone in Europe despises the USA, just maybe the actions of some of its leaders.

I think it would be a very good thing to leave our former colonies well alone. Reverse colonialism (bringing people to the U.K. to exploit them rather than invading their countries to exploit them a d their resources) is not a recipe for peace.

I am not disputing that the Soviet Union played the most significant role in defeating the Germans. You're just doing that classic thing again. It doesn't matter that the UK and the us liberated western Europe because the Soviets killed many more Germans. It doesn't matter that many British Muslims espouse horrendous ideas because the Spanish inquisition. It's fucking nonsense.

I repest, the idea that the Soviet Union should be given the credit for post war western European success is just incredible. The Soviets had no interest in the freedom of western Europe and to this day the Russians try to undermine western Europrean cooperation.

Oh fab, re-running WW2. For crying out loud.

The myths from WW2 are responsible for the mess we are in with brexit.

The language used around the by the leave campaign and UK press EU has been one of conquest, and oppression , with lots of war references.

Its never really been seen as an organisation that we were part of the decision making process in. Everything was "forced" on the UK

Agree Boris. I really do despair of England. Yes, England and the undying belief WW2 was won singlehandedly by Dad's army waving broomsticks and rescuing all those foreigners. Little England.

Now who's erecting straw men ? No one is saying the UK (not England) liberated western Europe single handedly. They played a significantly bigger role than the French, Spanish, Belgians Dutch etc. What benefit does it do anyone to deny this ? The real question is why you are not proud of this and instead hate your own country and seek to dismiss its achievements.