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AIBU to feel a bit shit for TM?

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AndWhat · 12/12/2018 08:03

Imagine achieving your life dream of becoming PM, being left to organise a shitstorm and then a load of your staff telling you you’re shit at organising shit and you get voted out.
I don’t think anyone who was brought in to lead brexit following Cameron’s hash up would have done a decent job and yet all TM will be known for is failing to manage brexit!

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Lynne45 · 12/12/2018 09:42

I don’t feel sorry for her. PMQs will be interesting today.

Crimson72 · 12/12/2018 09:43

I just watched her speech - I honestly can't comprehend how she managed to hold it together. It was pertinent when she said that she was due to travel to Dublin this afternoon to continue her work to get concessions on the backstop - but now, because of Rees Mogg and the other Tory backstabbers she will have to remain in London to try and shore up her leadership. What a total and utter mess they have gotten us into.

badlydrawnperson · 12/12/2018 09:45

@crimson72 - yes you nailed it - added that the FPTP system means unlike the referendum, the majority voting for something doesn't make it happen.

GreenEggsHamandChips · 12/12/2018 09:45

Because a general election wouldn't be a de facto referendum on her deal would it?

That was the mistake the conservatives made at the last election. Assuming because there was majority support for brexit that there would be support for the conservatives.

GE are about far more than one issue. They are about who is the best MP on local issues and what else is going on in the NHS and welfare.

Greensleeves · 12/12/2018 09:45

I sometimes find myself feeling sorry for her. Then I remember what she's done to the poor, sick and disabled, and it goes away quite quickly.

GreenEggsHamandChips · 12/12/2018 09:47

I watched her speech

Apparently shes making "progress"

when a day or so ago there were no concessions possible...

timeisnotaline · 12/12/2018 09:49

It was always an impossible job, and someone had to do it. I admire that. And I think the rest of the bunch the bookies have lined up for leaders are arrogant cowardly tossers. Bozo boris - enough said. He has resilience, that’s for sure. He was foreign secretary and look what a good job he did there, diplomatic and forging new ties- not. Dominic Raab- who apparently is all over it because he was Brexit secretary. Funny he couldn’t navigate his way out Of a paper bag much less find Dover on a map while he was Brexit secretary, now he suddenly wants us to think he can get anything done. JRM, another enough said.

GreenEggsHamandChips · 12/12/2018 09:49

Greensleeves

Most of that was put in place by David Cameron. She just hasnt had the guts or the willing to reverse it

ButteryParsnips · 12/12/2018 09:49

While I am no fan of May's, I'm not sure the 'she knew what she was getting into' argument properly applies in this instance. The last two and a half years in politics have been absolutely extraordinary, and not in any good way. I loved the Twitter account showing how boring everything would've been if Ed Miliband had become PM. I long for some political boredom.

Crimson72 · 12/12/2018 09:50

I'm finding it hard to concentrate at work today with all this going on I must admit.

What are people's predictions on whether she'll be voted out this evening? I think (and hope) she will cling on, as there's no doubt that whoever replaces her will be a hard Brexiteer and that we could be staring down the barrel of a "no deal" situation. Also the thought of Rees Mogg getting any closer to power makes me feel ill shudder

NotAnotherJaffaCake · 12/12/2018 09:50

I'm fairly sure this is political brinkmanship. Everyone knows it would be even more suicidal for the UK to have a new PM or even a general election now. And if TM survives this no confidence vote, then they can't have another no confidence vote for a year. So I reckon the plan is - survive this no confidence vote, then the deal goes through.

The risks of messing about with a new PM now are far higher than the current Brexit deal. I don't think Parliament has an appetite for full on crash out hard Brexit, and TM is demanding that, if that's the case, back her and shut up, because there is no way the deal from the EU is going to get significantly better. THey're running out of time and no other bugger has stepped up to try and get a better deal.

oh4forkssake · 12/12/2018 09:51

I really hope that the likes of Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Leadsom are vilified by history for their levels of utter stupidity, selfishness and irresponsibility.

NotAnotherJaffaCake · 12/12/2018 09:51

Also, isn't it interesting that the UK is in the midst of a full blown existential crisis and life is generally going on, whilst France is currently having a good riot?

MarshaBradyo · 12/12/2018 09:52

I don’t believe they’re thinking strategically and haven’t been all this time

It’s all personal snakes and ladders to them, the arrogance

bellinisurge · 12/12/2018 09:52

I agree @NotAnotherJaffaCake [looks longingly at the big packet of Jaffa Cakes I bought for Christmas- I mean BIG]

Genevieva · 12/12/2018 09:53

She has brought this on herself by arranging a secret Brexit deal behind the backs of her cabinet ministers and parliament, so that when it is finally revealed it is a complete shock and almost no one can support it. She should have remembered, throughout the process, that she would have to win a parliamentary vote on it.

There was something on the radio this morning about an Article that allows us to continue with all the benefits of membership will a new free trade agreement is arranged. I have never heard of that before. I wish I had been listening more, as I didn't catch what the Article was. It sounds much better that her withdrawal agreement.

badlydrawnperson · 12/12/2018 09:54

I expect her to survive.

There is the wider issue that no-one in Westminster wants to support her plan/deal - but for a vast range of differing reasons.

YearOfYouRemember · 12/12/2018 09:55

YANBU

I feel sorry for her too. Cameron started this shit then fucked off when it didn't go his way. I agree with a PP who said a man wouldn't be treated like this and TM best retort would be to win.

bongsuhan · 12/12/2018 09:56

While the job was certainly difficult from the outset, the current situation is her fault alone for

  • unnecessarily triggering Art 50 and setting off the clock with no idea of realistic negotiation targets or apparently any idea of the issues that had to be dealt with, particularly the Irish border
  • unnecessarily boxing herself in with bizarre "red lines" closing off all realistic options
  • calling elections and losing her majority.

Now she has wound up, indeed, with the best possible deal under those self-imposed terms and has no majority to get it through.

Ghanagirl · 12/12/2018 09:56

Also no fan of conservatives but she’s been stabbed repeatedly in the back by her cowardly party mostly the old boys club.
Rees-Mogg is a loathsome individual who is out of touch with at least 98% of voters!

badlydrawnperson · 12/12/2018 09:56

It’s all personal snakes and ladders to them, the arrogance

Very true.

fairislecable · 12/12/2018 09:56

This is NOT a game and as a lifelong voter I am horrified at the possibility of a General Election.

Brexit was never going to be easy and why would the other countries wish to let us slope off. But this rag tag bunch of politicians reminds me very much of the Dynasties programme with their posturing and snide attacking.

Where is their team spirit group support and British pride?

I am ashamed that such people will attempt to head our country.

WendyWoofer · 12/12/2018 09:56

LMW1990

To all those saying that she knew what she was accepting when she took the role on, someone had to! What was the alternative? If absolutely no one wanted to take on the job, what would happen then? Is it really so arrogant to realise to that the job had to be done (because the coward who asked for the vote in the first place couldn't see it through)? The country - as people have pointed out time and time again - voted leave. That had to be then implemented somehow

I absolutely agree!

BUT nobody had any idea what Brexit would involve, at that stage. It was only when she went to Brussels did it becomecapparentky clear that Brexit wouldn't be the straightforward in/out option that shiny Dave had us believe.

TM took it on and has done her best to please everyone - Brexit with the number of EU benefits that the EU would allow. Only for her colleagues to backstab her and the people, she is doing her best for, to publically slate her, whatever she does. Corbyn has shown his true colours - he's nothing but an odious snake!

TM has more balls than the lot of them put together. I hope she stays and does the job she set out to do. I wouldn't trust any of the other fuckers!

badlydrawnperson · 12/12/2018 09:57

Rees-Mogg is a loathsome individual who is out of touch with at least 98% of voters!
I agree, but until we change our awful and outdated electoral system we will keep getting tools like this (and whoever the Labour equivalent is) elected in "safe" seats.

fairislecable · 12/12/2018 10:00

TM has more balls

I hope not as from what has been displayed so far it is the ones with balls causing such discord.