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To not care whether people say sex or gender.

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TeeJay1970 · 11/12/2018 21:48

Many people and organisations use these words interchangerbly. The meaning is always clear. I actually don't give a stuff if others disagree.

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Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:02

What is the something women have in common with transwomen that we don’t have in common with men?

Yes. So many people with bated breath awaiting a reasoned answer from you, Rat or Fox here.

GenderIsAPrison · 14/12/2018 22:04

Anyone who doesn’t care, doesn’t care about women. Or are just too ignorant to understand the implications of conflating sex and gender.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:05

I agree.

Avegemitesandwich · 14/12/2018 22:06

Weetabix women have been oppressed for millenia due to nothing else but their 'body parts'. When Malala Yousafzai wasn't allowed to go to school that was for no other reason than that she had a vagina, she is a woman. When women weren't allowed to vote, that was for no other reason, none, than that they had female reproductive systems, they were women. When women get paid less than men, it's because of their biological bodies, no other reason. For example.

And now we have a group, largely made up by males, telling women that 'biology is irrelevant' and that what actually matters is your 'gender identity'. It's so offensive to all the women who have been shat on from a great height for no other reasons than that they have a female body.

Howdoyoudoit31 · 14/12/2018 22:07

I 100% do not care.

PencilsInSpace · 14/12/2018 22:07

I'm a few pages behind, but Giles, this is an excellent question:

What do a transwomen and a baby aborted for being a girl have in common?

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 22:14

Maybe someone could explain the difference between a man using the term "love" as a way to belittle a woman and a woman using the term "love" as a way to belittle a woman?

Maybe men and women have something in common after all.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:17

LOL nice derail.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:19

Of course, my use of the word "love" when you didn't have a clue how or why newborn baby girls are killed at birth is the entire problem here!

Avegemitesandwich · 14/12/2018 22:20

She wasn't trying to belittle you because you are a woman, she was trying to belittle you because she thinks your arguments are a bit crap.

HTH

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:20

Thank you! Smile

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 22:26

Of course, my use of the word "love" when you didn't have a clue how or why newborn baby girls are killed at birth is the entire problem here!

I have every clue why baby girls are killed at or before birth. I was questioning the comment about boys acting like girls not being killed whilst girls acting like boys are. Which cannot be relating to at birth.

And yes your use of the word "love" is a problem. Because it is misogynistic.

She wasn't trying to belittle you because you are a woman, she was trying to belittle you because she thinks your arguments are a bit crap.

Yeah, and some terms are misogynistic regardless of the "reasons" that they are used. HTH

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 22:28

She wasn't trying to belittle you because you are a woman, she was trying to belittle you because she thinks your arguments are a bit crap.

Also quite interesting why you'd use a misogynistic insult for something you think is "crap" isn't it?

Avegemitesandwich · 14/12/2018 22:30

Oooh you have that bit between your teeth now haven't you - you have found a way to not have to answer any of the questions (that you are clearly unable to answer) that are being posed to you. Do carry on.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:30

have every clue why baby girls are killed at or before birth. I was questioning the comment about boys acting like girls not being killed whilst girls acting like boys are. Which cannot be relating to at birth.

Let's just remind you of what was said by Giles:

But they don't kill the biys when they identify as girls though do they
And the girls who identify as boys still get killed.

Identity - supposedly an innate quality?

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:32

Therefore it has nothing to do with "acting like girls" or "acting like boys". They don't get that far.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:34

you have found a way to not have to answer any of the questions (that you are clearly unable to answer) that are being posed to you

Spot on. This is an MO.

Avegemitesandwich · 14/12/2018 22:35

Don't you know Ereshkigal female biology is just irrelevant 'body parts'. No one has ever treated a female human differently to a male human simply based on their biological body, never, it's irrelevant.

Apparently.

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 22:35

So how can that be referring to infanticide?

It clearly says
And the girls who identify as boys still get killed.

So girls who identify as boys are killed because they are girls.

But they can't be infants, because they are identifying as boys.

So it isn't infanticide which you started ranting at me over.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:36

I know. I am immediately suspicious of anyone that attempts to argue that biological sex doesn't matter.

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 22:36

you have found a way to not have to answer any of the questions (that you are clearly unable to answer) that are being posed to you

Yes. You do this a lot

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:39

But they can't be infants, because they are identifying as boys.

Perhaps you haven't quite grasped how identity is supposedly innate to many. Not a choice. It's just a way of describing when an opposite sex person doesn't feel like they are in the right body. You can be forgiven for that, because it's clearly nonsense.

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 22:40

No one has ever treated a female human differently to a male human simply based on their biological body, never, it's irrelevant.

And that is just hyperbole and hasn't been said here.

No one has said it hasn't, ever or that biology is irrelevant.

The question was asked that what does a woman and a trans woman have in common. And the answer coukd be plenty.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 22:41

But here you come in with your own niche opinions Weetabix, pretending that is what everyone else is referring to, within your own parameters.

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 22:44

within your own parameters.

Well, that's ironic isn't it considering the switch and bait that you exhibit on these threads? Ask a question, get an answer and then immediately change the goal posts and then claim that people can't answer you?

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