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To not care whether people say sex or gender.

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TeeJay1970 · 11/12/2018 21:48

Many people and organisations use these words interchangerbly. The meaning is always clear. I actually don't give a stuff if others disagree.

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Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 16:30

Knocked on their door.

Sorry cold hands

PencilsInSpace · 14/12/2018 16:46

There was a politician (I can't remember her name) who recently claimed she could see people's souls and would allow TW into women's spaces based on what she could see

Layla Moran, Lib Dem MP for Oxford West and Abingdon.

Hansard

David T. C. Davies
I hear what the hon. Lady is saying. May I bluntly ask her whether she would be happy sharing a changing room with somebody who was born male and had a male body?

Layla Moran
I believe that women are women, so if that person was a trans woman, I absolutely would. I just do not see the issue. As for whether they have a beard, which was one of the hon. Gentleman’s earlier comments, I dare say that some women have beards. There are all sorts of reasons why our bodies react differently to hormones. There are many forms of the human body. I see someone in their soul and as a person. I do not really care whether they have a male body.

RivanQueen · 14/12/2018 16:52

Thanks Pencils Smile

GlitterStick · 14/12/2018 16:53

Sudden silence? I'm still here Confused

Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 17:23

Then answer the question
what does this woman essence look like.

And what do you deem the tipping point from.bloke in a dress to transwomen

PencilsInSpace · 14/12/2018 17:27

what does this woman essence look like.

Grin
To not care whether people say sex or gender.
Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 17:28
Grin

If we can't check.bags for a grc can we check for this?

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 17:41

Pencils Grin

Datun · 14/12/2018 18:21

You won't get an answer. Because there isn't one. You'll just get derailing nonsense.

There are only two reasons for men to transition. Gender dysphoria, and a fetish. That's it. It's not complicated.

And, according to the letter to The Times, and the umpteen transwomen on the other thread, men with gender dysphoria know they are men, and absolutely do not support the dismantlement of sex segregation.

And they are sick to death with the fetishists, and those who support them, sticking it to women.

RatRolyPoly · 14/12/2018 18:31

what does this woman essence look like.

What kind of nonsense question is this? You're making yourself look silly.

And what do you deem the tipping point from.bloke in a dress to transwomen

Er, when their identifying as a woman becomes meaningful. Oh god, panic, something in life that requires a subjective assessment! Better freak out and declare that any subjective assessment of humanity is completely impossible and we have no idea how to handle it - arrggh!!

Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 18:35

Define meaning ful

RatRolyPoly · 14/12/2018 18:49

You don't know what "meaningful" means?

Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 18:50

I want to know how you transition meaningfully.

You wouldn't be reducing women to hair and make up and a porn star name would u?

Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 18:51

What do a transwomen and a baby aborted for being a girl have on common?

Cos no one knows the gender identity of a foetus

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 19:05

Surely though the requirement to live meaningfully is imposed by the establishment that issues the GRC? It is them who decide whether a trans man or woman has transitioned "well enough" to be issued a GRC so is it not this mechanism that seeks to perpetuate gender stereotypes, rather than the individuals concerned? They are being made to jump through hoops so you can't blame them when they comply.

RatRolyPoly · 14/12/2018 19:12

You wouldn't be reducing women to hair and make up and a porn star name would u?

Um... no. But you do recognise that we live in a world where it's pretty easy to deduce whether someone is a woman or a man based on how they live their life, don't you? Pretty hard to fight against the external manifestations of gender of you can't see them in the first place.

What do a transwomen and a baby aborted for being a girl have on common?

What does a foetus have to have in common with anyone?? You want an answer relating to the physical body and you've used a subject that doesn't have much else by way of humanity. Well done!

Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 19:13

It has biology in common .

Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 19:14

That's what links all woman and excludes men.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 19:22

Surely though the requirement to live meaningfully is imposed by the establishment that issues the GRC?

We're not actually just talking about people who meet the current requirements for GRCs here. We're also talking about the hundreds of thousands of MTF trans people who haven't applied for one.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 19:23

What does a foetus have to have in common with anyone??

Slow hand clap for deliberately missing the point.

RatRolyPoly · 14/12/2018 19:24

That's what links all woman and excludes men

That's certainly what links a female foetus with anybody else, cos... well... what else has a foetus got??

RatRolyPoly · 14/12/2018 19:24

Slow hand clap for deliberately missing the point

Right back at'cha.

Ereshkigal · 14/12/2018 19:26

Rat

What do women as a class have in common with MTF trans people that they don't also have in common with men?

Gileswithachainsaw · 14/12/2018 19:26

It may not Have much but it has a damn site more than any cosmetically altered man will ever have no matter how much they threaten people to say otherwise

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/12/2018 19:26

We're not actually just talking about people who meet the current requirements for GRCs here.
Well you are when talking about people living "meaningfully as a woman".