To not care whether people say sex or gender.

[TeeJay1970]

Many people and organisations use these words interchangerbly. The meaning is always clear. I actually don't give a stuff if others disagree.

See when I wanted to play my chosen sport. Which was a male sport, we were told to go away and recruit. So we did.

What’s now potentially happening is that the last 20 years will be eroded whilst men play male sport and female sport.

Women are losing out.

Risk is a managed risk. I know what playing against women is like. I know what it’s like to tackle a stationary man. I know exactly what would happen if he was on the move.

Says whom? DH is a slight-ish (not very good) MMA fighter. More for the fitness than anything else. Rhonda Roussey could weight the same as him and kick his arse.

So you think that all sports should be mixed sex then?

I don't care about these things whatsoever but maybe because they don't affect me as much as those who don't know who or what they are? I'm a woman/female/17 year old girl according to the off license and I've never questioned myself or been questioned about it.

Klutzy - yes of course I do, thanks though. It's strange how all the conspiracy theories and attacks come out on threads like trans ones though.
Different viewpoint - they don't half start up.

I want single sex sports, refugees, spaces. I want the word woman to mean adult human female.
Yet men want to access my single-sex spaces and want to be called women too.

How am I not losing my rights?

It’s important to distinguish between Dec and gender because it is physically impossible to change sex (you can’t replace all the chromosomes in your cells), but you can change gender in that you can change the physical and cultural characteristics of a male to female, by putting on a dress and makeup for example.

Because of this, when it comes to things like legislation, it’s so important to use the right language. The Abortion Act, for example, or any legislation relating specifically to women’s biology must use the word sex to describe a woman, not gender. Otherwise that legislation won’t apply to people of a specific sex, but rather anyone presenting as a particular gender. You can see how that would open up the potential for misinterpretation of the law to the detriment of natal women.

raspberry
Oh dear, and how exactly would you like me to prove to you - one anonymous person to another on an anonymous internet forum - that I've been turned away from a men's only space? How about you prove to all of us that you are the head teacher you say you are, currently in the place you say you are? Not going to happen is it.

As for the whole idea that a slight-ish man could be beaten by a woman MMA fighter take a look at Fallon Fox, trans-woman who fights women.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

It's not different views I question, it's people claiming to have qualifications or a role which tjey think makes their viewpoints more valid than other peoples.

There's no reason to claim any such thing on threads like this, no reason at all.
But because their stance is often feeble, a qualification or a job is dropped in to conversation to make them appear more qualified or experienced than anyone else.

jellyfrizz - It depends doesn’t it?

If you’re taking about your personal baby scan - doesn’t matter.

If it’s councils misrepresenting the Equality Act - matters.

This, in a nutshell.

RivanQueen - Just look at what happened to Prof. Rosa Freedman at Reading University, her office door was covered in urine and she has been stalked and harassed because of her stance in the trans-rights debate.

An apposite example. Freedman is an expert on international human rights law. Her stance is exactly that sex and gender need to be kept separate and clearly defined in law.

Here she is giving evidence to the Scottish Parliament on the Census Amendment Bill. The amendment they propose is to ask people their sex - including gender identity i.e. to conflate the two, effectively allowing people to self-ID their sex in the national census.

For her perfectly reasonable stance that sex should remain a separate question about a person's biology, and gender identity added as an additional (voluntary) question, Freedman has received death threats and rape threats, been called a nazi, received constant abusive, anonymous phone calls, had piss thrown all over her door and had to hide in the bushes because she was being followed and feared for her safety.

Times article (share token):
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-lobby-has-sent-me-death-threats-says-professor-rosa-freedman-0bl8cpcqh?shareToken=40157e72e540b0b509a1964a1ee7b41d

So while you may not care about this OP, lots of people seem extraordinarily invested in sex and gender being conflated, to the point where they are attempting to terrorise Freedman, and other critics of this conflation, into silence.

I don't think so because men and women are different mentally and physically.

In what ways are men and women different mentally? (Genuine question?)

Still going? You're tenacious if nothing else. I suspect nothing else

Well I certainly don't pretend to be things online.

@ratrolypoly with you on that, as in it's not the words on Twitter, it's the intent behind it.
The same with the billboard adult human female.
The intent behind it not the actual words.

cor blimey. raspberryTrousers had me right up until the slightly built cage fighting husband

sometimes I'm too gullible for my own good

it's the intent behind it

crikey

if people should be censored for the perceived intent behind their words rather than their objective meaning we are on a slippery slope.

with you on that, as in it's not the words on Twitter, it's the intent behind it.
The same with the billboard adult human female.
The intent behind it not the actual words.

Again I really don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Do you find the definition of woman too provocative/upsetting to be allowed in public?
What definition would you prefer?

Course I don't find it upsetting. I meant the intent behind it. As in we're women and transwomen - you're not. I think you know that really though.

So the intent is...what?

And because of that intent, the signs had to be removed?

Well it's never gonna be easy to know you can't brainwash someone is it.

Tough crap.

Maybe it's offensive to think every thing we have ever been through is nothing more than unfeeling inside someomes yes I don't give a shit how offensive they find the word woman

Someone's head

This discussion reminds me of that with Mr Harrop and Mrs Keen-Minshull.

Would anyone like to see that again? I know I would

So the intent is what? Must be a cross post as I just answered that one.

genuinely do not understand your comment GlitterStick

there was literally no nuance at all to the woman poster

it was just a black and white dictionary definition

again, if people are upset by dictionary definitions, the problem is them, not others

As in we're women and transwomen - you're not.

Yep, that's right. And this needs to be reiterated over and over again in order to ensure that female single sex spaces are kept single sex.