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To be shocked that Mn has been branded a “hotbed of transphobia”

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Badmoonsarising · 07/12/2018 14:20

BY Vice msgazine no less!

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

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Hidingtonothing · 07/12/2018 16:37

We don't fear transwomen Thejezebel, we fear the men who will appropriate trans for their own ends.

Calvinsmam · 07/12/2018 16:37

Calvinsmam - no he just likes to dress in women's clothing.

Was that a name change fail??

I know what a transvestite is but under self id and the stonewall umberalla they are considered transgender now and therefore a literal woman when dressed as a woman.

Elfinablender · 07/12/2018 16:38

My Dad is a transvestite and now I know why he spent most of my childhood hiding.

I think that's sad. Was he hiding from women who think that biology matters of from violent men who reinforce gender stereotypes by punishing men who transgress the norms of masculinity?

Allaboutmeandyou · 07/12/2018 16:38

And do you believe he’s a literal woman all?

Are you trying to provoke a reaction.

Calvinsmam · 07/12/2018 16:38

And the it’s transphobic to say transvestite now as that implies some men do it for a sexual thrill, we have to say transgender because no man ever dresses as a woman for sexual thrill and it has never been a fetish no siree.

Thejezebel · 07/12/2018 16:39

So you do agree then that the term transphobic is apt for a lot of the posters here? Fear of transexuals. Or specifically fear of transwomen.

Beansonapost · 07/12/2018 16:39

Hot bed of basic biological facts.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 07/12/2018 16:39

It's the worst forum I've ever been on for people being asshats towards others. Crikey, you live a sheltered life!

Have you never been on Twitter? Even facebook gets nastier than MN!

And Reddit? And many other places I have never been to but have seen reports of!

Or are asshats only women and men telling women they need to be raped,being doxxed and reported to their employer, being told to fuck of and die are absolutely fine and dandy?

feelingverylazytoday · 07/12/2018 16:39

Thejezebel it's not fear, it's the fact that we can't ignore 'the few examples'. We can't pass laws based on the premise that all transgendered people are gender dysphorics who just want to live peacefully, when it's obvious that isn't true (by Stonewall's own definition). It's too risky for women children and some transsexual people, and there is evidence of that.

BruegeITheEIder · 07/12/2018 16:39

The thread is about transphobia, i.e., abuse and hatred towards transpeople on mumsnet.

If you're not part of that, and you're just legitimately worried about womens' safety, etc. then you don't need to post here explaining that you're not transphobic, do you?

It's beyond me why anyone except the transphobic would try to pretend that transphobia isn't common on this forum.

ADastardlyThing · 07/12/2018 16:40

Ah, so it was an awkward question to answer.

And oopsie, NC fail there?

Calvinsmam · 07/12/2018 16:41

Are you trying to provoke a reaction.

No I’m interested. It seems we might be talking at cross purposes.

Lots of people on these forums are upset because the definition of transgender has been widened to include transvestites and we must accept them as women as much as the old school transsexuals.

Allaboutmeandyou · 07/12/2018 16:42

Was he hiding from women who think that biology matters

No why would he. He has been married to my mum for over 30 years.

Hidingtonothing · 07/12/2018 16:43

So you do agree then that the term transphobic is apt for a lot of the posters here? Fear of transexuals. Or specifically fear of transwomen.

Nope, still fear of men of the abusive variety and the opportunities self ID will afford them to hurt women.

Thejezebel · 07/12/2018 16:43

And for the purposes of clarity, I'm engaging in debate on the OP. I.e. Is MN a hotbed of transphobia.
I have never engaged in a debate on this before. I don't know who Karen White is, I didn't know Ian Huntley is now claiming to be trans. I don't know what a terf is or what the GRA is. So I don't know enough to be involved in a discussion on transexualism itself.
Hence I'm sticking to the discussion on whether MN (Feminism board) is a hotbed of transphobia. And I feel it is.

Elfinablender · 07/12/2018 16:43

If you're not part of that, and you're just legitimately worried about womens' safety, etc. then you don't need to post here explaining that you're not transphobic, do you?

But the article, linked on the op, upon which this thread is based includes those very women with those opinions in the hotbed of transphobia Bruegel

CuriousaboutSamphire · 07/12/2018 16:44

The problem is that you (The Feminist Posters) are using the few examples, to fear all transwomen. That's the crux of the issue. Currently, that isn't at all true. And has been explained ad nauseum. But yes, it is a fact that even one Karen White is too many How many women need to be sexually assaulted, raped or murdered by one of those few examples before you will admit there may be a problem?

How many women being hurt is OK by you?

In some near future you would be being transphobic for making the distinction between women and transwomen. Probably open to legal prosecution too. That is why so many women refuse to shut up and play nice about this!

Calvinsmam · 07/12/2018 16:44

How can you possibly say it’s a hotbed of transphobia if you don’t understand what’s being said and why???

Allaboutmeandyou · 07/12/2018 16:44

He doesn't see himself as a woman he is a man who enjoys dressing as a woman. All the family know about him.

SpiderJoe · 07/12/2018 16:45

The definition of transphobia now at least according to most Tas seems to include acknowledging that it is impossible for humans to change sex, acknowledging the fact that men as a class are far more violent than women, lesbians having the audacity to not want to sleep with transwomen even if they have a cock, not wanting men in women's spaces and refusing to deny that there are biological differences between women and men.

Hidingtonothing · 07/12/2018 16:46

It's beyond me why anyone except the transphobic would try to pretend that transphobia isn't common on this forum.

Again, we're back to how you define transphobia.

Thejezebel · 07/12/2018 16:46

Dastardly - no, I was answering a fairly obvious question you asked (stupidly).

Calvinsmam · 07/12/2018 16:46

He doesn't see himself as a woman he is a man who enjoys dressing as a woman. All the family know about him.

So why bring him up?
No one gives a scooby about men dressing up in ‘women’s’ clothes, feminists want to smash the gender box altogether.
We do care however when people say dressing up in those clothes makes you a woman.

StormTreader · 07/12/2018 16:46

Have there never been any aggressive gay men who rape other men sent to prison? Or women who rape women? Do they just get to rape away indiscriminately? If not, there must be measures in place that can handle transwomen who get sent to womens prisons. I don't know why this example is being raised like its a situation that never ever existed before trans was a "thing".

BarbarianMum · 07/12/2018 16:47

Sorry but that's not true Bruegel. Opposition to trans ideology is considered trsnsphobia by the trans lobby. So trying to keep spaces segregated by sex is transphobic.

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