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To be shocked that Mn has been branded a “hotbed of transphobia”

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Badmoonsarising · 07/12/2018 14:20

BY Vice msgazine no less!

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

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Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 11:27

Its OK I don't need to; everyone else can see your comments

Well I think if you are going to level accusations then yes you do need to back them up.

But, as you say, everyone can see my comments and can therefore see that what you said isn't true.

merrymouse · 08/12/2018 11:30

I have no problem with anyone saying they " feel British". It doesn't diminish me for them to say how they feel.

Because ‘feeling British’ is completely meaningless and has no consequences.

Being female is not meaningless and has very substantial consequences.

sackrifice · 08/12/2018 11:31

The whole ‘men are dangerous, woman are all victims’ annoys me and I say that as someone who’s experienced more than my fair share of Male sexual and physical violence.

What?

Men as a class ARE dangerous.

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 11:32

OldCrone

No that is not what I said.

My view

If there is an organisation then that is one source of information. Take that information and then go and get other information from other sources so that you get a balanced view.

If there is no organisation then go and find the information from all of the other sources that exist.

I don't want any organisations to fold.

But the absence of a specific organisation is not an excuse to remain uneducated about something so fundamental as your body. There are a miniscule number of people, within the UK, who have no access to books, or leaflets, or healthcare or another human being from whom they could get information.

UpstartCrow · 08/12/2018 11:33

When women don't act like passive victims and do something for ourselves, that annoys them as well. So we cant win, so we may as well carry on pleasing ourselves.

sackrifice · 08/12/2018 11:34

So much 'NOT ALL MEN' going on here...it might call for a PeachYogurt Video.

SonEtLumiere · 08/12/2018 11:35

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Hyppolyta · 08/12/2018 11:37

How did we get from drugs are routinely not tested on females

To...
Women should just educate themselves

Confused
OldCrone · 08/12/2018 11:38

I’m saying just because one group of people historically oppressed another group of people, It does not give the previously oppressed group a free pass to start oppressing the other group.

Which is the 'previously oppressed' group? Are you sure they're not still oppressed?

I want girls to grow up empowered and boys to grow up without being told they’re dangerous.

Did you manage to stop male violence overnight? Great news. Back in the real world, if we tell girls that men are never dangerous we put them in more danger, because they will feel safe when they shouldn't.

How can times ever change and people move forward if we keep treating groups of people as a statistic.

If self-id goes through you'll never know whether it's men or women committing crimes, so we'll get rid of the statistics that way.

It’s not healthy and I am not a victim.

You don't have to 'be a victim' to take precautions against attacks. Do you lock your doors at night? Why? Is it because you're a victim? Or perhaps because you don't want to be one?

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 11:39

I have no problem with anyone coming to live in Britain. Obviously we have laws controlling immigration and so they have to comply with those laws. So long as they do, fine by me.

Aquilla · 08/12/2018 11:40

Transphobia has become as meaningless as 'racism' and 'islamaphobia'. No, having another opinion from the liberal elite does not make a person any of these things.

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 11:41

Do you lock your doors at night? Why? Is it because you're a victim? Or perhaps because you don't want to be one?

We didnt lock our doors at night and got burgled. I am not a victim of burglary.

UpstartCrow · 08/12/2018 11:41

I recommend women buy a copy of Our bodies, Ourselves while we still can. Most of this information is not available elsewhere - which is why this book was written in the first place.

www.ourbodiesourselves.org/publications/

www.amazon.co.uk/Our-Bodies-Ourselves-Book-Women/dp/0671221469/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Our+bodies%2C+Ourselves&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1544269154&sr=8-2

OldCrone · 08/12/2018 11:42

But the absence of a specific organisation is not an excuse to remain uneducated about something so fundamental as your body.

Of course not. But anything that makes that education harder for anyone is still a loss.

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 11:44

Of course not. But anything that makes that education harder for anyone is still a loss.

Yes it is. But has no relevance to the initial question nor to any of my subsequent points.

merrymouse · 08/12/2018 11:44

Going back to the point of the thread, the main thing that MNrs are being accused of doing in the article is organising action (Man Friday) and maybe meetings that are anti-self ID.

I don’t think it is transphobic to be anti self ID, and I think that while there are clearly areas of disagreement, most people on this thread would agree with that.

OldCrone · 08/12/2018 11:44

We didnt lock our doors at night and got burgled. I am not a victim of burglary.

Because they didn't take anything? Or because that's what the insurance company said when you told them you didn't lock your doors?

merrymouse · 08/12/2018 11:48

Whether or not you call yourself a victim, I think it’s generally best to take steps to prevent burglary.

merrymouse · 08/12/2018 11:49

Obviously your choice to decide to lock your door, but good to have the option to do so.

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 11:54

Because they didn't take anything? Or because that's what the insurance company said when you told them you didn't lock your doors?
They took lots. Our insurance company know everything - the doors were closed and they forced them open. No one disputes we were burgled. The woman was caught on CCTV using my bank cards and then caught driving my car. Charged and convicted of burglary.

I'm still not a victim of burglary.

Avegemitesandwich · 08/12/2018 11:58

Are people seriously comparing someone who wasn't born in Britain but moved here, saying that they 'feel British', with a man insisting that he is actually a woman and accordingly should have access to female legal protections?!

Really?!

VerbeenaBeeks · 08/12/2018 11:58

Transphobia has become as meaningless as 'racism' and 'islamaphobia'. No, having another opinion from the liberal elite does not make a person any of these things.

Wow. so not only is transphobia meaningless, so is racism and islamaphobia.
Wow. Just... ok.

VerbeenaBeeks · 08/12/2018 12:00

Going back to the point of the thread, the main thing that MNrs are being accused of doing in the article is organising action (Man Friday) and maybe meetings that are anti-self ID.I don’t think it is transphobic to be anti self ID, and I think that while there are clearly areas of disagreement, most people on this thread would agree with that

On the surface it is mainly just concerns about self ID, but running underneath there is a lot that do not accept any transwomen as ever being women at all and have said as much on the threads.

VerbeenaBeeks · 08/12/2018 12:02

Ooh, just realised I wowed twice then. Must have truly flabbered me Grin

Avegemitesandwich · 08/12/2018 12:03

but running underneath there is a lot that do not accept any transwomen as ever being women at all and have said as much on the threads.

Yeah, that's because transwomen aren't women. Because if they were women, they wouldn't be 'transwomen' would they?