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To be shocked that Mn has been branded a “hotbed of transphobia”

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Badmoonsarising · 07/12/2018 14:20

BY Vice msgazine no less!

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

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Calvinsmam · 08/12/2018 10:02

I also think that the risks of incontinence or impotence that are associated with prostatectomy are shocking and largely not talked about and wouldn't be acceptable if it were done to women, but that's another story.

I can’t believe that you can say that loss of sexual function and incontinence would not a be a tolerated outcome if it happened to a female with a straight face!

OldCrone · 08/12/2018 10:02

Who made you God?! Grin

OldCrone · 08/12/2018 10:05

how do you know someone can't feel like they are a woman trapped in a man's body?

Of course they can feel like that, and a transwoman on here said that's exactly how she feels. She also said she realised that it's not literally true.

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 10:07

I can’t believe that you can say that loss of sexual function and incontinence would not a be a tolerated outcome if it happened to a female with a straight face!

Sorry, I don't understand? Those are risks associated with some gynae surgeries but my point is that they aren't openly discussed when they happen to men and there aren't many options (if any) given to treat them.

Calvinsmam · 08/12/2018 10:07

I love it when someone rocks up on these threads as says,

‘You’re all transphobic. I believe that trans people have gender dysphoria and that must be awful. Trans people should be able to live their life free from harm. Self id is problematic and we should consider creating a third space’

And it’s like, errrrrm what do you think we’ve been saying on repeat since forever? That’s exactly the our ‘hateful and transphobic’ stance.

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 10:10

And it’s like, errrrrm what do you think we’ve been saying on repeat since forever? That’s exactly the our ‘hateful and transphobic’ stance.

Not it isn't only what is said.

That is what some of us are trying to point out.

It goes beyond saying what you are saying into misgendering, making personal comments, criticising physical appearance etc.

VerbeenaBeeks · 08/12/2018 10:13

YABU. There's a lot of it thinly veiled.

Hyppolyta · 08/12/2018 10:13

Making comments on physical appearences is usually when posters argue no one can tell who is male or female or trans.

As fpr misgendering, why on earth do you think people should call someone who is male, she?
Its nonsensical.

VerbeenaBeeks · 08/12/2018 10:14

Oh, and two near on identical trans threads in practically as many days from the same OP?
Flippin eck.

Calvinsmam · 08/12/2018 10:14

Those are risks associated with some gynae surgeries

And childbirth, and hormonal contraception, and menopause and basically anything that happens exclusively to a female body.

StepAwayFromGoogle · 08/12/2018 10:16

But being female isn't just about biology is it? We're not just walking wombs and vaginas. We're people with feelings and emotions too.

merrymouse · 08/12/2018 10:17

My only concern is that so few people would end up using the trans facilities

Most people use the mixed sex facilities because they have children and they are closer to the pool. I would rather use a secure unisex toilet than queue for a single sex toilet. I think plenty of people are happy to use unisex facilities.

However, that doesn’t mean that the needs of people who require single sex facilities shouldn’t be recognised.

Calvinsmam · 08/12/2018 10:18

But being female isn't just about biology is it? We're not just walking wombs and vaginas. We're people with feelings and emotions too.

Of course we are. But those feelings and emotions aren’t what makes us female, that’s what makes us human.

Name one feeling that or emotion that is exclusive to females and shared by every one of them.

merrymouse · 08/12/2018 10:19

But being female isn't just about biology is it? We're not just walking wombs and vaginas. We're people with feelings and emotions too.

I think being female is just about biology. I am like any other female mammal because we are both female. I am different because I am human.

VerbeenaBeeks · 08/12/2018 10:20

In my view transphobia is rife on here. Not always explicit but always there subtly.

This Smile
It's there. A lot of posters are fine, but there are definitely some extremely transphobic handful that give MN a bad name.

Elfinablender · 08/12/2018 10:22

But being female isn't just about biology is it?

Yes, yes it is and of course it does extend beyond vaginas and wombs and encompasses the entire specifity of the biology of the female sex and every single cell in the female body that codes for that specifity. Feelings though? Not so much.

UpstartCrow · 08/12/2018 10:22

This is why gender studies replaced women's studies by stealth; its been used as a divisive tactic and we now have a generation who is divorced from their own history, and feel they are separate from feminists and feminism.

Weetabixandshreddies To answer some of the points you have raised;
Why dont women educate themselves?

  • Our Bodies, Ourselves has been running for several decades and aims to educate women all over the world about their bodies. It caved to the trans agenda this year and has closed.
  • Loss of sexual function is an accepted outcome after childbirth which is not discussed with women in ante natal classes.
Google 'mesh injuries'; also MN have a campaign about post birth injuries and you can google that as well.
Hyppolyta · 08/12/2018 10:26

Women are not just female biology. But it is the female biology that makes them a woman.

Same as GPs are not just a medical degree. But its the medical degree that makes them a doctor.

However this has been explained countless times, some people enjoy pretending to not understand so they can act like its a silly idea that reduces women.

merrymouse · 08/12/2018 10:26

there are definitely some extremely transphobic handful that give MN a bad name.

It’s very difficult to stop people posting if they aren’t breaking any rules.

JessicaJonesJacket · 08/12/2018 10:27

I'm not shocked at the accusation. Trans activists make it all the time. And it's become an easy way for freelancers to get lots of clicks and try to build a career. It's a cynical exploitation of a 'hot' topic.

MN isn't transphobic. They know that. But writing an article about the reality of MN doesn't play or pay as well.

Avegemitesandwich · 08/12/2018 10:29

Name one feeling that or emotion that is exclusive to females and shared by every one of them.

I would like to hear this as well please.

Calvinsmam · 08/12/2018 10:30

It’s like me saying I ‘feel spanish’ and then when spanish people point out that you need to have been born in Spain or have spanish heritage to be spanish I complain that they are reducing spanish people to where they were born or their heritage.

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 10:32

Our Bodies, Ourselves has been running for several decades and aims to educate women all over the world about their bodies. It caved to the trans agenda this year and has closed.

But that is exactly what I mean. Why do women, particularly in the UK, need an organisation to educate them about their bodies? As women, we need to take responsibility for ourselves, we don't need organisations to educate us. Learn about our bodies and how they function.

Loss of sexual function is an accepted outcome after childbirth which is not discussed with women in ante natal classes.

I don't accept that. It is not an accepted outcome. It might be a "recognised complication" but I don't see that is accepted. I certainly had information given ante natally about birth injuries and possible complications such as incontinence or pain with intercourse and also what treatments were available and how and when to seek help.

Weetabixandshreddies · 08/12/2018 10:35

It’s like me saying I ‘feel spanish’

I feel British though. But what does that mean? I absolutely cannot define it but I still feel it.

starcrossedseahorse · 08/12/2018 10:36

This thread is actually very funny. It is full of people claiming that Mumsnet is transphobic whilst holding (what TRAs would consider to be) transphobic views themselves.

Wake up folks.