To be shocked that Mn has been branded a “hotbed of transphobia”

[Badmoonsarising]

BY Vice msgazine no less!

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Do you think people can change sex, Pachyderm?

A person who fears or has a negative perception of trans people and/or transsexuality/transgenderism.

Anyone who has a negative perception of transgenderism???

Well that’s pretty broad.

What is transgenderism?
Does it mean having a problem with people not wearing what society expects them to wear. Or presenting in a different way to the gender inflicted upon them at birth expects them to? Is that transgenderism?

Or does it mean believing that someone can literally change sex because they say they feel like a woman?
Or noticing that the whole premise of ‘feeling like a woman’ relies on stereotypes and harmful sexism. Or that it is a neo liberal movement that is involved in allowing freedom for the individual to name their own box but does nothing towards smashing everyone’s boxes.
Noticing that every time a woman crawls out of the gender chains of womanhood by claiming to be non binary she is standing on the necks of the rest of her sex class by implying that they are implicite and happy with their chains?

Well that’s pretty broad.

No broader than the definition of racism, sexism, ageism or ableism. Isn’t that interesting?

It’s not as broad as any of those things though

Those things stop at the fear or negative perception of the person with that characteristic.
None of those things say you have to believe in an ideology first.

I hope you mean only the disabled have a condition.

I wonder if there is any rednecks on this forum.

Urgh

I looked up sexism on wiki and saw that it also includes gender in their definition.

How can people not look at that and not see how it harms women?????

Do people genuinely believe that women have been historically and structurally oppressed because of their gender and not sex?

The patriarchy doesn’t give a shit how you identify.

The black, women and men, elders and the disabled don't opt into their condition.

‘The black’
‘Their condition’

Niiiiiice inoffensive language there pal. And no mentions of LGB people - maybe you think they do ‘opt in’?

I think it’s pretty clear where your feelings are rooted, and it’s nowhere nice.

*How can people look at that and not see how it harms women?????

Sorry for my many mistakes and typos I’m dislexic and tired and writing on my phone

Sorry but the thread is dead after that comment freedom of speech goes out the window. I do not tolerate racism my children are beautiful and they don't have a condition what an awful thing to post. My bloke is handsome and he's hard working dedicated to his family.

maybe you think they do ‘opt in’?

I don’t think lgb people opt in at all, I think sexual orientation is innate.

Which is where there is an issue with the logical conclusion of ‘any man who identifies as a woman is a woman no question.’
Sexual orientation is just that. SEXual orientation, other people’s feelings about their gender identity shouldn’t have any bearing on what sex you fancy or who you choose to exclude from your dating pool.
Redefining the words gay and lesbian to also include people who fancy members of the opposite sex is homophobic.

What’s the word for a woman who only fancies people of the sex category of human that gestates the young?
Are those people allowed to define themselves and meet without the people of the sex category of human who impregnate to be there?

I’m pretty sure echt meant the second definition of the word condition which means the circumstances you find yourself in rather than having an illness or issue.

Maybe she did mean that your children aren’t beautiful and your husband isn’t hardworking but I highly doubt it somehow.

I think we know what echt meant. I’m not going to an apologist for someone who uses language like that, or expresses those kinds of ideas.

The black, women and men, elders and the disabled don't opt into their condition

‘The black’
‘Their condition’

Niiiiiice inoffensive language there pal. And no mentions of LGB people - maybe you think they do ‘opt in’?

Pachyderm1 I addressed the terms of the poster I was replying to.

What is wrong with "condition" it is the state of affairs as they are. Are you perhaps confusing it with illness?

I think it’s pretty clear where your feelings are rooted, and it’s nowhere nice

To you, perhaps, but in the spirit of open debate you might be clear yourself instead of hiding behind innuendo and supposition.

I’ve reported your awful comment.

I think we know what echt meant.

Nope.
You’re going to have to explain a bit more than that.

If you can’t see what’s wrong with calling people of colour ‘the black’ and referring to being of a different race as a ‘condition’, I can’t help you.

I don’t expect the anti-trans lobby on MN to call out transphobia from their fellow posters, but I’m always disappointed when racism, homophobia and sexism are also given a free pass just because you agree about transgenderism.

If you can’t see what’s wrong with calling people of colour ‘the black’ and referring to being of a different race as a ‘condition’, I can’t help you

I can though:

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=condition&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/condition

The black, women and men, elders and the disabled don't opt into their condition
If you read the comment out loud, it’s fairly clear that this poster made a grammatical error and got a comma in the wrong place and wasn’t making a racist comment. And the word “condition” was in reference to all the groups listed and their state of being.

Where should the comma have been? Or not?

I’m always disappointed when racism, homophobia and sexism are also given a free pass just because you agree about transgenderism.

Are you for real?
Have you spent any time here at all?? These things are always jumped on.

‘People of colour’ is a very American term, though language is obviously evolving all the time the term ‘black people’ is still commonly used in britain and not as a slur but just as the term.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/black-women-people-of-colour-racism-beyonce-coachella-black-lives-matter-a8316561.html%3famp

It's lazy journalism to attack Mumsnet. I have never read any posts on here celebrating trans people feeling unsafe in their natal sex spaces. I bet I could find lots of that on 4chan/Reddit though. Nobody on here has said we should shout down trans people and physically intimidate them. Twitter is full of GC feminists being sent physical and rape threats though. If transwomen feel unsafe, it's because of men but it's easier for the media to kick the women instead.
I can understand why a trans person doesn't want to be referred to as their natal sex. I would totally accept calling a trans woman a trans woman rather than man but that's considered transphobic these days. Fuck that shit.

echt
I read it as “The black women and men...”. Was that not what you meant?