To be shocked that Mn has been branded a “hotbed of transphobia”

[Badmoonsarising]

BY Vice msgazine no less!

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

‘The two are conflicting and bound to cause arguments’

But according to tras that’s not true and you’re transphobic for saying so. Trans women are women no debate, there is no conflict and even having a conversation how there might be is having a conversation about how trans people don’t derserve to exist.

There’s a lot of ‘new’ posters because most people have feminism hidden, this is on AIBU.
People give up engaging because they get called ‘men’ ‘handmaidens’ or ‘TRA’ if they hold an opposing view and end up blocking the section.

My point is that you can’t base the whole transgender side of the debate on the views of the vocal and controversial TRA

I am concerned about people being paid by local councils to go into schools and teach girls that female sport shouldn’t exist because it is transphobic.

I would happily ignore a few idiots on twitter but we are way past that point.

See alot of feminists say that TRA's are bully's and to out spoken ect. but thats not all of them

i'd say they are more terrorists, than bullies. Bomb threats, smoke bombs, physical threats, masked men stopping womem from meeting peacefully...behaving just like terrorists behave.

I'm always very confused by this argument. So transwomen are at risk from male violence if they use the men's toilets. But women aren't at risk of make violence if men use the women's toilets

Have you ever read about women being abused by transgendered women in the toilets. Have you ever experienced this yourself why you fear transwomen using the female toilets?

I didn’t say it was phobic to want the laws not to change. I’ve said there’s important discussions to be had on the matter. It’s a shame most of the important debate such as The dangers of self ID is lost within the hundreds of threads slating transpeople at every opportunity. It’s meant a lot of woman, whom would otherwise be on board with joining the ‘fight’ decide to not engage for fear of being on the wrong side of history.

EarlyWalker you can advance search someones name.

There are several posters on this thread with similar stories or repeating the same mantra who have never posted before.

Fascinating

Most transwoman for example don’t want you to suck their lady dick no questions asked... Yet a few TRAs have said it and you take it as scripture.

Well, I'm aware that this is not the case. For example the transwomen who have posted on this thread are not that type. You seem to be misrepresenting the people who post on FWR. I suggest you pop over and read a few more threads and you'll find that people on there are not at all as you describe.

Yet, when Posie (who is behind the ‘woman’ poster and FPFW if I’m not mistaken) makes controversial comments, I’m sure you would not want people to think that GC people call for mass sterilisation of trans men and base their arguments on this to paint you as bigots and potentially promotors of genicide?

Well, I hope you would take the time to read what we're really saying, and you would see that these views are not widely held. Not sure where you get genocide from - sterilising people doesn't usually kill them. Contrary to your assertions, we're a bunch of women with strong opinions. We're not blind followers of a charismatic leader.

No-one should be scared to voice their view.

That's not the case though is it, not now, not with all the threats and labels.

Can we establish why women only areas exist in the first place, and that reason still stands?

Have you ever read about women being abused by transgendered women in the toilets. Have you ever experienced this yourself why you fear transwomen using the female toilets?

It is MEN that are the issue. Men abuse assault and rape women. A woman/girl isn't going to know if the man in the toilets is there due to having disphoria, or just using this to gain access tonwoemn's private spaces.

I already linked to a report that showed that unisex toilets are dangerous for women and girls.

Why should men's feelings be more important that womens' and girls' safety?

So if mumsnet is a hotbed of transphobia why are people who think its dreadful that mumsnet is a hotbed of transphobia still on mumsnet

I can't speak for others but the reason that I'm still here is that after a attempts at trying to have a reasonable discussion with people and realising that it's pointless trying to debate with fanatics, then a few months of stepping away due to the onslaught across different boards, I realised that I have just as much right to be here as anyone else and I can (mostly) ignore the posters banging on about it.

The only reason I'm on this thread is that I find the wide eyed faux innocence laughable.

So do you not agree with self id then early??

I am quite prepared to accept that the man in Canada who wanted to force female beauticians to wax his genitals because he claimed to be transgender is more representative of incels than people who suffer from gender dysphoria, however that doesn't help the people he targeted if the law won't distinguish.

You talk about men what about transwomen. Would you feel comfortable if they had surgery and then used the female toilets.

The only reason I'm on this thread is that I find the wide eyed faux innocence laughable.

I find the wide eyed acceptance to literally believe everything men say without engaging brains quite pitiful.

Oh men, you want access to womens and girls spaces, yes by all means - how can we help?

For real?

It’s a shame most of the important debate such as The dangers of self ID is lost within the hundreds of threads slating transpeople at every opportunity.

Most of the threads are about either the dangers of self ID or about the dangers to children from gender ideology.

The danger of self id is literally why most of us are here still talking about it.
An mp actually stood up in parliament and said it wouldn’t be an issue because she could tell if someone was faking in their soul.

That is what’s so scary, self id.

Mumsnet is literally the only place you’re allowed to talk about it and for you to turn around and say that is banging on about it is putting people off is laughable. If we weren’t banging on about it it would have already passed by now.

Personally, I do not want to share any space where I have to undress, with a strange male.

It doesnt matter if that male is a man or transwoman. It doesnt matter how that male feels, or how lovely he is, or if he calls himself a woman, or if hes had surgery.

Its still a no.

There’s a lot of ‘new’ posters because most people have feminism hidden, this is on AIBU.
What bollocks.

I have problems with Posie, but the argument about having a whole thread about a TRA doctor isn't a fair comparison.

Posie is a 'nobody'. A doctor is a person in a special privileged position of trust who has sworn to adhere to certain principles as part of their professional career. If they behave in a certain way, then there are ramifications. They are subject to professional codes of conduct. And ethically we have a duty to scrutinise the actions of a doctor than a 'nobdy'.

They are sworn to do no harm and to show respect to all patients.

I didn’t say it was phobic to want the laws not to change.

Why does the law need to be changed?

Oops - sorry misread didn't as did.

I'm fat I feel uncomfortable undressing in front of everyone.

My local swimming pool has unisex changing rooms I cant remember the last time I went swimming and had to shower with costume on in front of strangers.