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To think he should NEVER be released - HORRIFIC STORY WARNING ***warning reiterated by MNHQ - disturbing content***

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ShockedandOutraged · 04/12/2018 09:44

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6457161/Hes-bad-Ian-Brady.html#article-6457161

After committing a crime like this, it can never be guaranteed that this man is not a risk to society. What parameters do the Parole Board use to determine this? He has not been around to lose his temper/in a position to kill children while inside.

The reports details a network of 'friends' that this fiend has as support when he's out. Who on earth could be friends with something like this?

How can he even want to be released? If he had any remorse he'd have killed himself before now.

The poor parents of these children. Is there anyway they can fight against this?

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FamilyOfAliens · 04/12/2018 11:05

Don't patronise the majority of people here by saying that we are making 'emotional' judgements, unlike your cool, calm reasonable attitude.

Who is the “we” in this?

No one on here speaks for everyone. Each of us has our own opinion, and that’s all it is.

Cleo18 · 04/12/2018 11:05

FamilyOfAliens - Thinking something is fitting is absolutely not the same as supporting it.
If a bomber gets blown up by his own bomb it might be said to be fitting but it does not mean that you support it or would vblow him up yourself. If a drunk driver bashes his own face running into a lampost rather than kills a young family at a bus stop it might be said to be fitting - again that doesn't mean advocating face-bashing for all drunk drivers. If a dealer in lethal heroin dies from his own bad drugs - again.....

I think everyone knows what I mean here.

The problem is this man did something unimaginable to most of us. The parents are still living with that hell. Yet he seems to have done well in prison and will be released to live, (with support) , for the rest of his life. Most people are unhappy with that. (This aside from the risks )

Society that runs on mutual agreement - it is trade-off. We agree not to do certain things in return for certain things - any preceived injustice threatens society. This is one reason for the reaction to this news.

MarilynSlumroe · 04/12/2018 11:06

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FissionChips · 04/12/2018 11:07

Prisons rarely even manage to rehabilitate thieves, wtf makes anyone think prison has any hope of rehabilitating a person who has impaled children onto spikes?

Storm4star · 04/12/2018 11:07

Firstly, I will agree, I don't think he should be released.

The thing is, a life sentence is a life sentence. He will be on licence for the rest of his life and subject to recall if he breaks one of his licence conditions. There is a general misunderstanding of life sentences. It doesn't mean you spend your whole life in prison (other than those who got whole life sentences). What it means is the sentence lasts your whole life but you may well spend part of your life in prison and part in the community. There's the minimum tariff you have to serve but after that you can apply for parole.

According to the link this man has been eligible for parole for 25 years so it doesn't seem the parole board made a rushed decision! However, as I say, I do think his crimes warrant him never leaving prison.

empmalswa · 04/12/2018 11:08

He looks like a pretty fit 67 year old, hardly doddering.

There isn't a picture of him now in the article Confused

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 11:08

Would you like to go to bed at night with a man who'd spent the day executing people for the state?

well id much rather that, than go to bed with someone who killed and impaled 3 innocent children, and not know about it because the fucker is protected by his new sodding identity.

I don't want to imagine some poor woman befriending this fucking animal and not having a clue what he did.

OohBabyBabeh · 04/12/2018 11:08

My question is why do we put down dogs for lashing out at humans just the once, but we allow these monsters to be a part of our society until they naturally die?

Madness.

HashTagLil · 04/12/2018 11:08

What @MetalMidget said.

recklessruby · 04/12/2018 11:08

Well we're not on the parole board so we are free to make judgements and have emotional responses. Most people love and nurture little children.
Doesn't mean we are ignorant or having a rant.
I hope someone finishes him off the day he leaves prison.
I m not saying no offender can be rehabilitated but he will have anonymity and possibly a new name and a place in a shared house with other ex offenders who are there due to less vile crimes.
Will they know who their new housemate is?
No because they'd probably administer their own justice.
So he goes out into the world with massive protection. Those children had no protection from him.

SylviaAndSidney · 04/12/2018 11:08

Who is the “we” in this?

No one on here speaks for everyone. Each of us has our own opinion, and that’s all it is.

Your reading comprehension seems to be a little off, the poster actually wrote “the majority”, not all.

Fashionista101 · 04/12/2018 11:09

What the actual fuck

MarilynSlumroe · 04/12/2018 11:12

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flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 11:13

Marilyn I get that, but the reality is that he is being released.

if we did have the death penalty, even if he didn't get sentenced to that, the likelihood is that he wouldn't be leaving prison any time soon.

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 04/12/2018 11:15

I'm generally all in favour of rehabilitation and second chance but in cases like these I can't see any justice in it whatsoever. How can they say he doesn't pose a risk, he hasn't been around kids for 45 years? Disgusting.

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 11:16

and honestly, in general, I don't think the death penalty is a good idea. We don't need it if we sentence properly either, but then a nice quiet life in prison and getting let out doesn't seem enough punishment for what he did either.

mostdays · 04/12/2018 11:16

Don't patronise the majority of people here by saying that we are making 'emotional' judgements, unlike your cool, calm reasonable attitude.

Don't invent things I didn't say.

This man murdered and impaled three young children. We don't need more information than that to say that we don't believe he should ever be let out of prison.

You can say what you like, as can I.

Claw001 · 04/12/2018 11:16

I think we have a legal system in place and procedures for a reason. I don’t think we can decide who gets locked up, keys thrown away or who does not. It’s either followed or it’s not.

However, I do find it difficult to believe his reasons and way of killing those poor children were as a result of what he claimed. If he is being released on the grounds that he has changed those behaviours, I find that difficult to believe also, as imo they seem unlikely to be the cause.

I wonder if he had psychiatric assessment at the time of the murders and what the findings were.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/12/2018 11:16

our desire for justice (and revenge - be honest) cloud our decision making

Personally I find it more useful to think in terms of retribution rather than revenge. As Robert Nozick argued, revenge is concerned with the suffering of the offender while retribution concentrates more on justice

There's an excellent piece about it here: www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/evolution-the-self/201402/don-t-confuse-revenge-justice-five-key-differences

ambereeree · 04/12/2018 11:16

The mother of his victims was told he'll never be released. This news has sickened and horrified me.

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 11:18

but claw surely cases like this suggest we need some kind of reform of the legal system?

OohBabyBabeh · 04/12/2018 11:18

@flamingofridays I think it is. Part of the reason these people get released after x amount of years is because frankly, there's no room for them anymore and they would rather believe a man who has been imprisoned for that long must be rehabilitated - to make room for the man that killed a child only 2 weeks ago. The death penalty would get rid of this problem, but of course should only ever be used in cases where there is no doubt that they committed the crime.

MemoryOfSleep · 04/12/2018 11:19

If one could convict the parole board of criminal negligence in the event of reoffending, do you think they'd release as many people?

Bigonesmallone3 · 04/12/2018 11:19

That poor mother has suffered like no one could imagine for all these years and now she has to go to bed knowing that he's out living the rest of his life when her children had a short life and a terrifying end, wondering if more children are at risk and whether he will do it again..

RoseCumbrae · 04/12/2018 11:20

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