To think he should NEVER be released - HORRIFIC STORY WARNING ***warning reiterated by MNHQ - disturbing content***

[ShockedandOutraged]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6457161/Hes-bad-Ian-Brady.html#article-6457161

After committing a crime like this, it can never be guaranteed that this man is not a risk to society. What parameters do the Parole Board use to determine this? He has not been around to lose his temper/in a position to kill children while inside.

The reports details a network of 'friends' that this fiend has as support when he's out. Who on earth could be friends with something like this?

How can he even want to be released? If he had any remorse he'd have killed himself before now.

The poor parents of these children. Is there anyway they can fight against this?

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But McGreavy’s conviction was not the end of this tragic affair. It emerged that on the morning of the murders, baby Samantha had been taken to Worcester Royal Infirmary by her mother with a suspected broken arm and severe bruising to her face. A doctor who examined her wrote on an admission paper: “Query – battered baby”.

The battered baby diagnosis was fairly new at the time and a subsequent behind closed doors inquiry report by South Worcestershire Hospital Management Committee found a “breakdown in communications” between hospital staff was the reason little Samantha was sent home. Although consultant Mr AC Clark, who made the ultimate decision, did so without examining the child’s case notes, which were available to him.

Wow Valhalla! Never read that before. Even though it was 45 years ago, I still can't help feeling for that poor baby. Battered in the morning then murdered in the night . Wonder if he'd hurt the children before as well, maybe bruises that were passed off as accidents.

AFAIK the mother hasn't mentioned this before? If he was responsible for that, it blows out of the water his 'flipping with stress' claim. I don't believe for a minute the baby was crying for her bottle and wouldn't shut up.

She would probably have been in considerable pain if she had a suspected broken arm!

The children had two parents. The mother was working as a barmaid. Their father left them with McGreavy whilst he went to fetch his wife from work, something he'd done before numerous times. He was not some stranger and may well have targeted them.

Being part of a majority saying the same thing does not make that majority a ‘mob’. It just doesn’t. Although it’s a handy little name to stoop to in order to belittle and dismiss.

No. I do not understand how a man who did these things can ever be sufficiently changed either by time or rehabilitation to make that person safe around children and families, in the real world.

These will be real world people in real world situations, not the very limited sphere of prison life where he will not have been routinely exposed to anyone of the factors involved in that terrible day when he decided to do what he did.

He will be surrounded by people who will be ignorant of his past and therefore unable to risk assess for themselves and also unable to lower ‘stressors’ that this man claimed made him torture, kill and then mutilate their tiny dead bodies.

People who won’t know that for this man, just crying for a bottle is enough of an excuse to kill, and play with the dead body not just of the crying baby, but all the children within reach.

I’m sorry if I don’t sound suitably woke enough, but I see danger in this man and I think that the risk is too great, no matter the circumstances since.

If he was that stressed by a baby crying for her bottle, why didn’t he just, give the baby a bottle? There are no circumstances in which murdering the baby and the two other babies near him become an understandable decision, no matter what else is happening for that man.

And this doesn’t fade with time.

I’m sorry if I don’t sound suitably woke enough

Ah, is this the new 'political correctness gone mad'? It is a handy little phrase to stoop to in order to belittle and dismiss.

CoolCarrie Wed 05-Dec-18 09:16:34
pickle fuck off with your bullshit!

Carrie you are anything but cool. Clue. In life, real life that is, people disagree. But you've lost any corner by being a twat.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter Tue 04-Dec-18 19:30:44
Picklepost - are you part of a network of friends per chance?

No idea what you're on about.

Truth is, I've been a court and police reporter for a long time. I've sat through some grim trials. Like many of you, I was appalled by the first couple of cases I dealt with and, like you, I felt outraged and wanted harsh punishments for the perpetrators.

But with time I came to understand that very few crimes come out of nowhere, that there are always warning signs long before the victim is even in the picture. The perpetrators invariably have had awful, terrible childhoods, quite frequently have brain damage (usually undiagnosed until they've killed someone) and in general have had no sort of life at all. Basically something has to give and it isn't till the worst happens that anyone wakes up.

So no, I do not wish this man any terrible fate. I do hope he has had support with whatever his dysfunctions are, I do believe that as a civilised society we need to be prepared to try to rehabilitate offenders or, shock horror, even prevent such terrible crimes by offering more support to young families and the mentally ill.

But yes I do understand that my views are unpopular in here. I can live with that. And quite frankly I'd rather live next to this guy than most of the red-necked posters in here. Baying mob for sure.

Sorry if this has already been asked but does anyone know if the mother is still alive?
I kind of really hope she isn't

Yes she is still alive. There is an extended article about this on the bbc website. She never had any more children and clearly states this ruined her life. It also says the killer has never shown any remorse.

@nottakingthisanymore That's heart breaking.

I also think he should never be released. I suspect I would be too cynical to believe any expression of remorse (if he has expressed remorse?). Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but he had babysat for the family for 2 years without incident, so if it is due to some latent sadism rather than ‘snapping when drunk’ he has already shown that he can play the long game.

picklepost. Nasty. Just plain nasty. I think maybe your job has inured you to accounts of children being maimed and killed.

Someone who is broken enough to do that kind of thing cannot be mended. And even if he could, I don't believe he's served his time as recompense to his victims or to atone for his crimes. Sentences must have both a punitive and a rehabilitative element and I fail to see how 45 years behind bars makes up for all the lives he's taken and ruined. That poor, poor woman. An unimaginable amount of pain she's endured. That she continues to live is astonishing.

That may be the most cretinous statement I've read this year.

Agree. But that’s the society we live in where hurty words are worse than murdering three children and impaling them on railings.

And as I said earlier, the sort of people who say that are always the sort of people who know there isn’t a hope in hell he will be moved next door to them in their owner occupied property in nice areas. Poor Mum’s in council housing. Less so.

Apols stray apostrophe, autocorrect

Years ago a teenager walking down my street walked over to a random bloke, for no reason. He then stabbed and killed him. The defence was broken home, drugs etc. The teenager served his paltry sentence, was supposedly rehabilitated, served his time, was released from prison and promptly killed someone else.

As LittleLionMansMummy said someone so broken cannot be rehabilitated.

I don’t think pickle’s post was nasty - just another point of view, experience driven

And quite frankly I'd rather live next to this guy than most of the red-necked posters in here.

Really, is that right? With your children?

And quite frankly I'd rather live next to this guy than most of the red-necked posters in here

Well maybe that wish will come true

Seriously you can’t compare keyboard warriors to a child beater and murderer

Well maybe you can / let the parole
Board know !?

This evil monster is now unemployed. He is good at babysitting. All the sympathisers quick now he may already be booked up for NYE!
Bring back hanging!