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To think he should NEVER be released - HORRIFIC STORY WARNING ***warning reiterated by MNHQ - disturbing content***

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ShockedandOutraged · 04/12/2018 09:44

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6457161/Hes-bad-Ian-Brady.html#article-6457161

After committing a crime like this, it can never be guaranteed that this man is not a risk to society. What parameters do the Parole Board use to determine this? He has not been around to lose his temper/in a position to kill children while inside.

The reports details a network of 'friends' that this fiend has as support when he's out. Who on earth could be friends with something like this?

How can he even want to be released? If he had any remorse he'd have killed himself before now.

The poor parents of these children. Is there anyway they can fight against this?

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ElfridaEtAl · 04/12/2018 11:20

I don't care if he's been an absolute model prisoner from the moment he got in there, he smashed a baby's skull, slit a 2 year old's throat and strangled the boy, mutilated them with a pick axe, then impaled them on spikes.
If that's not overkill then I dont know what is.
He should be left in there to rot.

Sorry for being graphic but he didnt just murder them (which would be bad enough) he did so much more than that.

Bigonesmallone3 · 04/12/2018 11:21

Piss off @RoseCumbrae

cheesydoesit · 04/12/2018 11:22

The photo of Dorothy and her children makes me want to cry.

DunkandEggAgain · 04/12/2018 11:24

He should be absolutely ashamed of himself and what he did and I would have thought that if he was sincerely and genuinely ashamed of his crime, he would not apply for parole but instead remain in confinement for the rest of his life.

KonekoBasu · 04/12/2018 11:25

@ShockedandOutraged

"I've never understood why our justice system does not take emotions into account. They're what make us human after all."

So if you murder someone who has loved ones who will stand up and say how much they are missed you should have a longer sentence than if you murder a hermit with no friends or family?

If the family forgive you, you should serve a shorter sentence?

That's not justice.

@ShockedandOutraged

"Yes Temptress I wondered when I first heard about this case why a young man would lodge with a family with young children. Could he have targeted them because he had fantasies of doing something like this."

So any young man kicked out of home should prefer to sleep on the streets rather than live with a friend who has children? He might well have had ulterior motives when he approached that friend (did he? Or did his friend offer?) - none of us can possibly know - but let's not go down the road of suggesting that any man who lodges in a house where children live must be up to no good.

Claw001 · 04/12/2018 11:25

flaming I would suggest more detailed assessment at the time of serious crimes, it identify the causes. If we are looking at prison as partly a form of rehabilitation, then we need to be clear on exactly what behaviours need to be addressed and reassessed.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 04/12/2018 11:27

I’ve never heard of this case before, what a despicable excuse for a man.

I also don’t believe he should be let out. I don’t think he should have been allowed day release either. I don’t believe people that commit crimes like this deserve a second chance.

Marcipex · 04/12/2018 11:28

Where is the petition link please?
He must never be released.

AndThereSaw · 04/12/2018 11:28

What is the point of having a judiciary/legal system at all if we are then to trial by tabloid press?

ReflectentMonatomism · 04/12/2018 11:29

So if you murder someone who has loved ones who will stand up and say how much they are missed you should have a longer sentence than if you murder a hermit with no friends or family?

I don't know. However, given our legal system now enshrines victim impact statements, what role do you think they play, and do you think they should therefore be abolished?

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 11:29

saw do you trust their decision to let this man out then? would you be happy him living next door to you, down the street from your childrens school, in your workplace?

Marcipex · 04/12/2018 11:34

And where will he live? A council flat? On an estate? Who wants him as a neighbour?
I bet anything he won't be near any of this parole board.

Marcipex · 04/12/2018 11:36

It seems that we need the tabloid press to publicise parole board decisions.

ferretyfeet · 04/12/2018 11:44

I remember when hanging was abolished we were assured that life meant life for murder.That assurance did.nt last long,

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 04/12/2018 11:45

"A society should be judged not be how it treats its outstanding citizens, but by how it treats its criminals." Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Pretty sure Dostoyevsky was talking about treating prisoners humanely, which we now do in this country/century to an extent that Dostoyevsky probably never dreamed of. That's not the same as releasing vicious murderers back into the community. Russia has the death penalty even today and I think there's a good chance this man would have been executed had he been Russian due to the nature of his crime. In Dostoyevsky's time prisoners wouldn't have been fed properly or housed well and would have been subject to inhumane punishments and used as slave labour. None of that applies any more. This murderer has been treated very well by his society!

RoboticMary · 04/12/2018 11:47

I’m never an advocate of vigilante justice, but if this creature is ever released I would change my mind! Never should he see the light of day. What an unspeakable monster.

My dad grew up a few doors down from these children. He knew them. What happened deeply affected him and his parenting. It made him unbelievably overprotective of us.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/12/2018 11:48

If one could convict the parole board of criminal negligence in the event of reoffending, do you think they'd release as many people?

An interesting point ...

Mishappening · 04/12/2018 11:48

Rehabilitation is fine as an idea - but does anyone seriously think that someone who has committed such a crime can be rehabilitated?

His actions were deranged and outside human nature - he should stay in prison. He clearly has some sort of brain wiring problem.

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 11:49

I think as well if it is the space that's an issue, ie we don't have enough room to keep them locked up forever, then I would much rather non dangerous criminals were not locked up, but punished in another way ie community service, but actual hard work.

for instance people who get locked up for benefit fraud, still a crime, still deserves punishment, but do we need to take up a cell with someone like that over someone who killed three innocent children?

I appreciate that they wouldn't be in the same facility, perhaps. But maybe some of the low security facilities could be changed to places where people go to stay for literally the rest of their life.

ReflectentMonatomism · 04/12/2018 11:51

It seems that we need the tabloid press to publicise parole board decisions.

The Parole Board announced Warboys' release on boxing day. Given that it's unlikely many of them were in the office the previous day, it was the classic piece of "good day to bury bad news" spin. It's terrible that we need tabloids to maintain transparency, but the parole process is secretive and does not publish much about its decisions (Nick Hardwick claims post-hoc he wanted to see that changed, but there's not a lot of evidence that he did much while he was in post).

The vast, vast majority criminal cases are held in open court. Judgements are made in public, after public trials, and judgements and sentencing decisions are published. There are a tiny handful of cases in which judgements are secret for a period until other related trials have finished, and an even tinier number of cases in which some or all of the evidence is in various ways redacted. But it is a basic principle of British justice, which we are very reluctant to overturn, that justice is a basically public process.

So why is the parole process so secretive? Why should someone be sentenced to life in the full glare of publicity - I doubt anyone here is suggesting anonymity and secrecy for murder trials - but then paroled in secret? In the Warboys case, without even informing the victims?

Satsumaeater · 04/12/2018 11:54

*You said you think here are times when the death penalty is fitting.

That’s the opposite of not supporting it*

It's not black and white. I do not support it and if we were asked to vote on whether to reintroduce it I would say no.

However, there is the odd case like this one, where I wouldn't be sad if we did have it.

Valanice1989 · 04/12/2018 11:57

Pretty sure Dostoyevsky was talking about treating prisoners humanely, which we now do in this country/century to an extent that Dostoyevsky probably never dreamed of. That's not the same as releasing vicious murderers back into the community. Russia has the death penalty even today and I think there's a good chance this man would have been executed had he been Russian due to the nature of his crime. In Dostoyevsky's time prisoners wouldn't have been fed properly or housed well and would have been subject to inhumane punishments and used as slave labour. None of that applies any more. This murderer has been treated very well by his society!

This.

FamilyOfAliens · 04/12/2018 11:59

It's not black and white.

Yes it is.

Even if you believe the death penalty was “fitting” for one person, you support it. Not supporting it means you don’t believe the death penalty is a fitting punishment ever, whatever the crime, whoever the criminal.

Claw001 · 04/12/2018 12:03

I was just reading the back story to this.

He had a drink problem and was very violent when drunk.

He was in the Navy and describe as ‘arrogant and cocky’ and lots of trouble etc He was discharged after starting a fire and his commanding officer ordered psychiatric evuluation. The findings of which have never been made public.

His Court case was over in about 8 minutes and it seems no psychiatric evualtion was part of the proceedings.

He was drunk when left in charge of the children.

I should imagine it’s difficult for a prison to rehabilitate, if you are not aware of what problems you are dealing with.

The comments shared about he can now control his temper hence release etc. Really don’t seem to be addressing the issues. Not much reassurance of not reoffending,

Ohmno · 04/12/2018 12:05

Should never see the outside of a very small concrete box