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To think he should NEVER be released - HORRIFIC STORY WARNING ***warning reiterated by MNHQ - disturbing content***

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ShockedandOutraged · 04/12/2018 09:44

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6457161/Hes-bad-Ian-Brady.html#article-6457161

After committing a crime like this, it can never be guaranteed that this man is not a risk to society. What parameters do the Parole Board use to determine this? He has not been around to lose his temper/in a position to kill children while inside.

The reports details a network of 'friends' that this fiend has as support when he's out. Who on earth could be friends with something like this?

How can he even want to be released? If he had any remorse he'd have killed himself before now.

The poor parents of these children. Is there anyway they can fight against this?

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sackrifice · 04/12/2018 10:45

I think it's OK for him to be released

On what grounds?

Satsumaeater · 04/12/2018 10:47

This is a death penalty case if ever there was one. (I do not support the Death Penalty - never have and would still vote against it but there are times when I think it would be fitting)

I agree. I know the death penalty is wrong but there are cases where I would support it, the Moors Murderers and this guy being two of them.

67 is still quite young.

Ycochyn · 04/12/2018 10:49

The mother said if he was released she'd be waiting outside with a gun
Unfortunately she will not have a chance to do that. He will be released with a new identity and with regard to his safety Hmm

Cleo18 · 04/12/2018 10:50

FamilyOfAliens - I very clearly said I did not support it.

nornironrock · 04/12/2018 10:50

This is such a difficult and (clearly) emotive issue.
On the one hand, our desire for justice (and revenge - be honest) cloud our decision making, and lead to the conclusion that people like this should never be released.
On the other, if as a society, we believe in rehabilitation, and that people can be given the opportunity to turn their lives around, then we have to accept this this concept and privilege should be extended to everyone.
For me personally, I'm genuinely thankful it's not my decision.

"A society should be judged not be how it treats its outstanding citizens, but by how it treats its criminals." Fyodor Dostoyevsky

ReflectentMonatomism · 04/12/2018 10:51

I think it's a great relief that the parole board doesn't consider ignorant rants like those above when they make their decisions.

So you think that the Warboys case is a demonstration of the correct functioning of the Parole Board, and that the decision to release him should not have been overturned?

VictoryOrValhalla · 04/12/2018 10:52

I’ve never understood supporters of the death penalty. The death penalty is the easiest consequence for the killer! Once they’re dead they’re not being punished or having to live with what they’ve done. But the victims family do! All the death penalty does is free up a prison cell.

PixieCutRegret · 04/12/2018 10:52

I think it's OK for him to be released. And I think it's a great relief that the parole board doesn't consider ignorant rants like those above when they make their decisions

Would you be happy to have this man living in your town under a new identity? How about next door?

Wheresthebeach · 04/12/2018 10:53

Should never, ever see the light of day again. There's no way to know he won't commit another crime - risk to society too high, and frankly people like this should be locked away for life.

FamilyOfAliens · 04/12/2018 10:53

FamilyOfAliens - I very clearly said I did not support it.

You said you think here are times when the death penalty is fitting.

That’s the opposite of not supporting it.

TemptressofWaikiki · 04/12/2018 10:53

It was such an open and shut case, as far as the authorities were concerned at the time, as this guy confessed. So, they accepted his motive without delving deeper. Their approach seemed to be why investigate or dig around. There were suggestions though that in fact the murders masked an even more sinister motive of a sexual nature and that he isn’t someone who snapped with a temper but a sadistic, sexual predator. The mutilation and impaling really is not the act of someone that lost his temper but very much like brutal serial killers with a specific sexual and violent fetish. I believe he is still a huge danger to children for that reason. Killers like him are often highly manipulative and able to act contrite.

mostdays · 04/12/2018 10:54

If I were a family member of the victims I would be furious and distraught.

If I let myself think about this emotionally, from the perspective of 'how would I feel if this had happened to children I love?', of course I think it's an awful decision and the board are insane and cruel and he should be left to rot.

Thankfully, our justice system is not based on emotion. I can't say with a sensible head on whether the board has made the right decision or not, because I do not have all the facts, I do not know what work has been done, how the offender now presents, why the board are satisfied he is not a risk, the details of what will be in place to supervise him post release, etc. I don't have to make those difficult decisions. I have not sought a career in which that choice would be mine. We need people to make these choices, we need people to be able to step back from emotion and make hard decisions. Vilifying the people who made this decision, without access to all the information they had in the making of it, is not fair and is not in the interests of justice.

AornisHades · 04/12/2018 10:55

If he really understood what he'd done surely he would have the decency to rot in prison until that poor woman has died. She should never have to know he is free.

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ShockedandOutraged · 04/12/2018 10:56

Yes Temptress I wondered when I first heard about this case why a young man would lodge with a family with young children. Could he have targeted them because he had fantasies of doing something like this.

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flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 10:57

I mean you don’t really know anything about him do you?

well, we know he killed three innocent children and frankly someone who does that should never be allowed out on the streets imo. If that's what he's capable of, why should he be free to do it again?

domton · 04/12/2018 10:59

Depending on the strength of community, his life will be far more difficult out than in, and if he had committed that crime here, and was released I wouldn't fancy his chances of survival: too many dark alleys for rough justice.

Having said that, it's clearly despicable that he is being released, you have to have something dreadfully wrong with you to carry out acts like that, and I think that no amount of years in prison is going to change the bit of your brain that is so wrong, it thinks that this is acceptable/a pleasurable experience.

Poor families, I can't begin to imagine how they feel. I hope they are getting the support they need.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/12/2018 11:00

The parole board decision is based on the current threat the prisoner poses to the general public

No - it's based on the threat they believe the prisoner poses

For the John war boys and peter tomblins there are thousands of criminals they release who live amongst us without reoffending

And thousands more who do reoffend when the parole board make yet another mistake. Worth taking a risk, perhaps, if it's just nicking a few cars, but murdering and impaling little children? I really don't think so Hmm

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ShockedandOutraged · 04/12/2018 11:01

I've never understood why our justice system does not take emotions into account. They're what make us human after all.

After all if we didn't have any, we wouldn't care about children being murdered would we?

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flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 11:03

I think as well, what he did is very different to say, losing his temper with a crying baby, shaking it and accidentally harming/killing it and then ringing an ambulance, or admitting what he did.

what he did to those children, wasn't an accident, wasn't even intentional violence that went too far, it was obviously very considered. Someone like that will NEVER be reformed imo.

Bigonesmallone3 · 04/12/2018 11:03

People like this make u wish the death penalty was a thing in this country, if he did that in certain states in America he would be brown bread by now..

Animal

feelingverylazytoday · 04/12/2018 11:03

I support the death penalty in extreme cases, and this is one of them. There is no way this guy should ever be released, the risks are too high. So the choice should be full life imprisonment or humane execution. Personally I would opt for execution, because the money spent on incarcerating this individual for 40 plus years could be spent in more productive ways that actually benefit society.

shirleybanister · 04/12/2018 11:05

The parents of those children are still suffering.

He should never be released - too much of a risk

Graphista · 04/12/2018 11:05

Op should have been clearer particularly for those who didn't want to use a DM link.

This is about David Mcgreavy

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-46437471

Not Ian Brady or Ian Huntley

I am SO SICK of murderers and rapists being treated so leniently by the British "justice" system.

I've said it before here and elsewhere IF the prisons are "overcrowded" then reserve the spaces in them for people like this to be there GENUINELY for life as in until they are dead! And criminals convicted of non violent offences serve alternative sentences.

An entity as evil as this should NEVER be released, they don't deserve it, they never change and it's unjust for the families/victims.

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