To ask why anti-Vacciners would prefer polio over autism

[scoobydoo87]

I'm not here to cause a fight but I'm genuinely interested in why people who are against vaccines use the autism card? Like medically it's proven that it doesn't but even so why would you prefer that your child had an eradicated illness rather than autism?

@claraschu okay so I'm not sure what you're saying here wether as I said polio is very very rare and I'm not just talking about polio I'm talking about vaccines in general I have an example. there is absolutely no evidence to suggest autism can be caused by vaccines

By the way I don't think anyone thinks that Autism is caused by the Polio vaccine. Some people think it can be triggered by the MMR.

Does it matter? Both positions are equally nonsensical and unsupported by evidence of any kind.

Becausec people think they are just little illnesses, such as measles being ‘just a little rash’ no regard to the lifelong problems it can cause.

And I speak as a mother of three children that are 'subjected to that'

In case it wasn’t apparent from my thread I do have an autistic child and I am aware that there isn’t a link.

I’m afraid I can’t be all happy and smiley about autism even though it seems to be the PC thing. My child having ASD has a terrible impact on all of our lives everyday and if I could tale it away from him I would. He’s a beautiful boy but he finds the world so hard. I wish that he didn’t have to deal with that.

By the way I don't think anyone thinks that Autism is caused by the Polio vaccine. Some people think it can be triggered by the MMR.

And? Neither is true.

My son is fully vacvinatef but it autism is not all high functioning aspergers my son has severe autism hes non verbal , not toilet trained hes nearly nine , i dont tjink vaccines caused it and he has an undrrlying chromosome deletion but if you had one child with similar disabillities and thought vaccines may have played a part would you risk it again?

@AamdC I completely get it and the different parts of the spectrum as my young sister has autism herself and I care for her a lot. Would I risk it if I though vaccines caused autism? Absolutely because as iv said previously autism= alive.

Not having vaccines has absolutely been the cause of some petioles untimely death unfortunately and autism has not

But OP you’ve said yourself polio is very very very rare, so surely you can see why they don’t think they’ll get it?

@Caprisunorange I used the polio vaccine as an example I'm talking about all vaccines. There are a lot more cases of meningitis and measles than there are polio granted.

So why aren't they worried they could get measles or meningitis? All these illnesses they're not protecting themselves or their children should be worried about the possibility of coming into contact with them illnesses

Because they don’t think they’ll get those either? I mean to be fair The menitigus vaccine has only been on the schedule for 3.5 years

Autism is a life long life changer. NOT easy.

scoobydoo in your thread title you ask why "anti-Vacciners would prefer polio over autism". I was responding to that.

I happen to know three people whose children had a bad reaction to the MMR vaccine, got very ill, lost the speech they had been developing, and ended up severely Autistic.

I am not saying this is cause and effect, and I am perfectly well aware that no connection has been established between MMR vaccine and Autism, but I am tired of the endless angry attacks on people who are concerned about vaccine safety.

I thought your OP was not particularly well phrased or well thought-out, and I am doubtful that a person who talks about "the autism card" is really interested in other people's thoughts and experiences of autism.

Actually tbh Op your posts are a little frustrating. You obviously didn’t want to ask a question, just open a debate in which you could tell everyone they were wrong. I have a string feeling you are gagging for an anti vaxxer to pop up for you to jump on

People don't refuse the polio vaccine because they are scared of autism.

The MMR was associated with autism.

I don't know of anyone who has refused a polio vaccine, I do know people who were concerned about MMR and either delayed it or got single vaccines.

Because polio is extremely rare, and most people who get measles recover fine. Yes, I know they can have serious consequences which is why I am very grateful for vaccines. But autism can be a terrible disease.

This isn't pc to say. But yes, I would prefer my child to be physically disabled, blind or dead rather than have severe autism.

If I thought there was any risk that vaccines caused autism, I would never get my child vaccinated. Luckily there is no risk.

Do not misinterpret my words here. I'm not an anti vaxxer, but your question wasn't why do people believe vaccines cause autism, it's why, if they do believe that, wouldn't they prefer to take the risk of getting autism. Well I'd take the risk of the disease.

Oh and before people jump down my throat I am not saying MMR causes autism, I am saying that people associated it with autism, but have never made such claims about polio.

@Caprisunorange not at all. I'm genuinely curious at the though process behind not wanting to vaccinate because of the risk that they believe it causes autism. If someone does not have the correct medical information then it's not a horrible idea that not only myself but others try and educate them in a calm and nice manner if it changes their mind or not.

Autism = alive … what an ignorant thing to say. You come and visit us when my DS is having a bad day. He's nearly 11 and non-verbal, understands very little of what I say. Will never work, have meaningful relationships, will always have to be cared for 24 hours a day. He hardly sleeps. He catches every cold, cough, virus going. He bangs his hands and head against the walls when he's in pain, he kicks the floor to try and alleviate the pressure in his head. Wind and rain make him crazy: if there's a storm brewing or a full moon he'll sleep even less than usual and scream pretty much constantly. There are days when it's a fucking living hell. He has been fully vaccinated, and I tell you - when you start researching autism online there is a lot of stuff from anti vaxxers, and sometimes you think, is there anything in it? Should I have held off with some of the vaccines? I really don't know. It's the 'what if' ... Maybe some people can't process medicines the same as others. Maybe the vaccines tipped him over the edge. Or maybe they didn't make any difference and he was always going to be the way he is. I had novocaine at the dentist whilst pregnant with him, and I regret that, too. Yes it's safe - but what if it wasn't safe for my boy? What if his system couldn't cope, where another baby's could? The thing about my DS's autism is that it affects the whole family, not just him. And the thing is, at the SEN school he attends, he's nowhere near as severe as some of the other DC. I really do wonder how some families cope.

Not having vaccines has absolutely been the cause of some petioles untimely death unfortunately and autism has not

Except for the large number of people with autism who commit suicide.

That's not what you asked scooby. Is your question why do people believe vaccines cause autism? Or why people who do believe that, don't just take the risk because (as you see it) it's better to be autistic than get measles?

But then... about 50% of the posters here have told you why they’re not concerned about their children getting polio/ meningitis/ measles so has that answered your question? Or were you hoping for someone to “calmly educate” ?

Because you never hear about children contracting Polio and rarely measles, mumps and rubella. You hear about autistic kids all the time and there's always someone who states "my DS was a normal baby until the MMR jab and he changed overnight into an empty shell".

I won't lie to you, DD is due to MMR soon and the thought of her having it scares the crap out of me even though I know all of the "research" is nonsense. My brother is autistic and it resulted in a miserable childhood. Everything was always about him and still is. At 30, he still lives at home. I couldn't commit to a lifetime of that.

I also had a bad reaction to the TB jab when I was younger. I wasn't meant to have it but I was given it at school anyway which led to me being very ill. My mum refused it for my brother. I refuse the flu jab every year also.

I'll vaccinate my DC because I know it's for the best but there's a lot of wariness around vaccines at the moment. I understand why people are confused.

Scooby, are you saying that if given the choice today, would you rather your child contract measles or autism, you would choose autism? Measles can be a very serious illness, however it can often be a mild illness with no lasting effects. Autism is life long and can be what piffle11 just described. Sorry but you wouldn't choose autism!

ChodeofChodeHall - "Anti-vaxxers are just easily led and not very bright."

Wow, slightly generalising a bit there. I am pro-vaxx but I think if anyone is easily led and not very bright, I would first think of the masses and certainly not the minority who actually stop to think and question what we are all TOLD to do without question.

To awnsers people's questions directed at me.
I feel the question has been replied to and I have a better understanding of it. I'm always open to being educated further and iv gained information I didn't know.

Please do not think I don't know about autism and what can happen to people living with it because I'm well aware,I understand it's really hard raising a child on any part of the spectrum and you all sound like you're doing a great job,yes personally I'd prefer to have an autistic child rather than one who's could not only catch a horrible disease them-self but pass a mutated strand on to other children,that's just my preference I have 2 family members on the spectrum one is high functioning and one is low functioning and it's difficult I totally understand that!

I completely apologies if people have been made to feel upset by my own comment that's not my intention at all.