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AIBU?

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Domestic Violence: Who is BU?

160 replies

justthebeginning · 02/12/2018 20:23

Six weeks ago on Saturday morning I woke up at 4am to my husband pushing a pillow into my face, stopping me from breathing, and screaming at me "This is just a taste of what you've got to come... You'll have to spend the rest of your life watching your back..." etc. I had our 8 month old baby cuddled up next to me at the time.
He eventually stopped, threw the pillow down, shouted some more abuse and threats, then left the room. After I dithered and rang my mum and dithered some more, I eventually called the police, who arrested him and held him in custody for the remainder of the day while I crammed as many of my belongings as I could into my car and then drove the 350 miles to my parents house, where I have been living in fear ever since, as I know he knows where I am.
The night this happened, I had just told my husband that I would like to separate, due to his episodes of violent rage happening with increasing frequency (although not usually directed at me). It made me feel vulnerable and I didn't want to raise my son around that. Once he threw our barbecue across the road. Another time he said he was going to find our landlord and stamp on his head. I needed to get out. And when I tried, that is what happened.
For the last 6 weeks, I haven't heard anything at all from him. He his still on police bail while the CPS make a decision as to whether or not to bring charges, and his bail conditions stipulate that he can't contact me directly or indirectly in the interim. His job is very important to him and is very much in the public eye (absolutely not a celebrity or anything of the sort, but a totally unique role and he is frequently asked to do interviews for the news etc.), and so a breach of bail leading to a criminal conviction would be terrible news for him. But as soon as those bail conditions are lifted - 350 miles is nothing to an angry bastard who has been subject to criminal proceedings and hasn't seen his only son in nearly 2 months, so I'm frightened. I've started locking myself in the house, I have had a lock put on my bedroom door, and I carry a secret camera on my wrist at all times even when I'm in the house, just in case he turns up. Being assaulted in your home with no witnesses and thus slim-to-nil chances of prosecution makes you really desperate to PROVE this shit.
Anyway, we had only been married a year, whirlwind romance etc. He really got me. It turns out this whole time we have been separated he has been messaging my mum, asking for photos of the baby and wanting to arrange contact with him. She obligied and sent him photos, without telling me, as she understandably thought I was too fragile at the time. Now that I know, I have asked her to please stop replying to his messages, as (a) there are some very serious legal proceedings about to take place, and (b) I'm desperately trying to protect myself and my son from this piece of shit.
Now my mum says she doesn't think my STBXH deserves to be separated from his son, and that my son deserves to know his dad. My baby is 9 months old, and the happiest baby you could hope to meet. I would never stop him from knowing his dad later when he wants to, and when he is old enough to know if something is wrong and to communicate it to me, but right now, when this is still very raw and my baby is still very little, my priorities are protecting us both and keeping us both as far away from this monster as possible. Mum says that people make mistakes...
Who is BU?

OP posts:
DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 03/12/2018 11:00

My god. I can’t imagine how you are feeling right now.

I’m sure your mum means well but it’s not a good idea. This man would murder you if you could.

AntiHop · 03/12/2018 11:01

I don't think I could trust my mum after that. Please get in touch with your local independent domestic violence advocates. They can help you either get into a refuge or advise you on your housing rights.

Well done for getting away from him.

BeenThereDone · 03/12/2018 11:02

I would say he's done a job on her, played on her, if she's that nice. Manipulated her emotions.

Now you have to be really strong, he's trying to get to you via her and so far it's worked. I know you say she would never deliberately hurt you but in this case she is. He will ask her to bring his son to see him and then just take him, to bring you back.

Phone the police... Or DV services, have them explain to her the danger of what she's done.

Wordthe · 03/12/2018 11:03

I am worried that your mother could be helping him to keep tabs on you, could he have convinced her that you are lying, that the incidenct you describe didn't happen
she is acting as if it didn't happen, as if she thinks you made it up or dreamed it or something

ArcheryAnnie · 03/12/2018 11:04

Aeroflotgirl, I've reported your post. If the OP wants to show this thread to her mum, how does your post help anyone?

TheViceOfReason · 03/12/2018 11:39

All of the back story aside... now you have explained your feelings to your mum has she agreed to stop speaking to your ex? That is the important question.

If she won't, then you need to seriously consider moving elsewhere (if you can) and not giving your new address to anyone.

Please don't minimise how much danger your mum is potentially exposing you to. What happens when you get home from the shops and that angry man is sat in the house? Or you leave the child with your mum and she secretly allows him to visit?

Aeroflotgirl · 03/12/2018 12:14

Why Archery, because her mum is complicit in putting her in danger and is colluding with her violent ex who almost killed her with her baby beside her, and does not see it a problem and op should ensure good relationship between father and son, wow!!!

Beaverhausen · 03/12/2018 12:23

Wow that is frightening what he did and your mothers thinking especially your mother. Makes you wonder if you could ever trust her with your son's safety.

Are you able to move and keep your mother at arms length until she can grasp and understand how dangerous this man is?

Aeroflotgirl · 03/12/2018 12:27

Archery where in my post did I tell op to show the thread to her mum. I gave a reasonable opinion based on how I see the situation. For me, I don't know how any decent mother can do what she did, my dd would always come first and I hope that I would try my best to be there for her and support her through anything. If I saw my dd in that state running from a man who tried to kill her with her baby beside her. My god he had better run fast as I would be coming with my spade.

differentnameforthis · 03/12/2018 12:34

I do know she's an awesome person and I know she wouldn't do anything to hurt me But she IS hurting you. How will it look in court that she has been in contact with him, sharing photos of your ds with him when he isn't supposed to be in contact with you?

How will you prove that you didn't know?
How will you prove that you asked her stop?
How will your prove that you weren't colluding with her to send the photos?

Plus, keep in mind that if you ever have to move to get this guys off your back for any reason, he now knows your mum will give easily, what if he tries to get your address from her?

And it's not even really about all that, he tried to kill you and you mum said he made a mistake...in other words, she doesn't think what he did was a big deal.

RB68 · 03/12/2018 12:34

Please get in touch with the Domestic Violence team and they will talk and take you through everything you need to do and get the relevant parties involved. Your evidence is evidence enough. You have logged one serious incident, if you need to do anything in the mean time document other incidents and also where these have been witnessed by others. You have done the right thing by getting away however, clearly your Mum does not understand the serious nature of the incident and I do not believe you are safe there. I think you do need to go into a refuge - its not nice but it is anonomous and gives you direct access to help and assistance as needed and links to the professionals that can help including ensuring you have financial help for things like legal aid

Wordthe · 03/12/2018 12:36

This violent man is using your mother to try and Sabotage the case against him

differentnameforthis · 03/12/2018 12:40

This violent man is using your mother to try and Sabotage the case against him This. Just because he isn't in breach of his bail conditions, doesn't mean court won't turn this inside out to blame you and your mum. Can you imagine?

"well how bad can your husband be, Mrs Justthe, if your own mother is happy to send him photos of your son and be in contact with him?"

badirene · 03/12/2018 12:40

Op I hope you have somewhere safe to go, sadly your family home to no longer safe due to the misguided efforts of your mother, your ex is trying to make you isolated by getting her onside. He is probably minimizing what happened and making it seem like an everyday disagreement that you are blowing out of proportion.

Leaving an abusive relationship is the most dangerous time for the abused partner and the point that the violence will escalate into fatality, please for the sake of you and your DS contact Women's Aid and find somewhere safe.

Your mother may have being trying to get things civil with ex with an eye to the future but in doing so she has endangered you further, actions like hers is what allows abuse to continue and escalate, your ex will be using her to get info and to make you feel unsure and unsafe with the end game being getting you back under his control. For now the safest place may be away from family sadly.

Never forget your ex is a predator and is grooming those around you to continue his predation. You cannot take this too seriously.

RB68 · 03/12/2018 12:41

You need to get a none molestation order in place ready for when he is not on bail. You also need to get a residency order for your child so that it is clear he lives with you and any contact will be sorted by court - you may have to let him have contact but you can insist its supervised given the level of violence, this might include providing photos unless they think there is a risk of abduction which will change things. It is unlikely that he would get unsupervised contact or any overnight because of the level of violence and also the age of your son. You also need to go to CSA and get that sorted out as well.

Jux · 03/12/2018 12:49

He's not breaching bail, as he is allowed to contact your family re contact with his child. Okaaay. I'm glad you're very far away from him then.

I think your mum was trying to do the 'decent' thing, though I disagree with her on it. I completely understand why you're confused, bewildered and befuddled, not knowing what the right thing to do is now.

I can't see how contact between your baby and your ex can be a good thing but I know the default seems to be in favour until a Court orders otherwise.

What is your mum's stance now? Does she have a better understanding of your position? I think you would find WA very useful to talk to now, and they can advise you on how best to move forward.

Do you feel safe? I think that's the most important thing. If you feel safe, you can relax a bit and that helps you think more clearly.

JamPasty · 03/12/2018 12:50

Blimey OP. Until you can get your mum to understand why what she did actively put you and your baby at risk, I don't think it's safe for her to know where you live - what if she tells your ex where to find you?!

Workreturner · 03/12/2018 12:51

The advice to go to a woman’s refuge drives me bonkers

  1. It’s not as fucking simple as that
2 I presume these posyeeebhave never actually stayed at a woman’s refuge before

OP it is a terrible state of affairs if your mother is the kindest most empathetic person you know. I worry that you think that, I really do.

You need to continue being as strong as you have demonstrated. Don’t trust your parents for the time being at least.

What are you doing about money? Could you and a friend go back home when you know he won’t be there’s in order to get papers?

7yo7yo · 03/12/2018 13:28

Your mum is either a weak fool
Or an evil cow.
It’s up to you to decide which but her actions could leave your child motherless and her without a daughter.
Well done for leaving op.

Jux · 03/12/2018 13:33

Do you have a friend who could give you shelter while you sort your head out. It's quite a big 'ask', but if you do have a friend to whom you can go no matter what, then do it.

Snowwontbelong · 03/12/2018 13:39

Please don't let your dm look after your dc. She may take it upon herself to meet up with him so he can see your dc.

WTFIsAGleepglorp · 03/12/2018 13:48

I'm sorry, but contacting your mother IS indirect contact, especially as you're in the same house!

That police officer is wrong.

Get onto your solicitor. Fast.

Feefeetrixabelle · 03/12/2018 14:01

Could you ask for his bail conditions to be varied to prevent him contacting for child contact. It could list your solicitor as his only means on contact to arrange that?

LakieLady · 03/12/2018 14:10

OP, please don't stay at your mother's.

All the evidence shows that women are most at risk from violent partners when they end the relationship. This is the point you are at.

Thanks to your mother's contact with him, he will have a pretty good idea that that is where you are staying. To protect yourself, you need to get out of there.

I know that refuge places can't be found instantly, and that being in a refuge is really tough, but it's better than being harmed by your ex.

Do you have any friends or other family members that you and your baby could stay with while you're waiting for somewhere more long term? Could you find an Air B&B or holiday let for a week or two?

If not, please contact the local council in the area where you are staying. Because you are fleeing DV, you count as homeless and they have a duty to help you. The help they can offer may be limited to a place in a B&B, but again, it's better than being at risk.

Your DM did the wrong thing, but I'm sure she did it from the best of motives. He's probably gaslighted her. I'd show her this thread in the hope that it helps her to understand how very dangerous this man is.

I also think she should get some security set up, eg cctv, PIR lights, and ask the police to put a flag on her address so that any call to attend there is treated as high priority.

Namechange8471 · 03/12/2018 14:14

Stop contact with your mam. Protect your son and yourself.

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