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Domestic Violence: Who is BU?

160 replies

justthebeginning · 02/12/2018 20:23

Six weeks ago on Saturday morning I woke up at 4am to my husband pushing a pillow into my face, stopping me from breathing, and screaming at me "This is just a taste of what you've got to come... You'll have to spend the rest of your life watching your back..." etc. I had our 8 month old baby cuddled up next to me at the time.
He eventually stopped, threw the pillow down, shouted some more abuse and threats, then left the room. After I dithered and rang my mum and dithered some more, I eventually called the police, who arrested him and held him in custody for the remainder of the day while I crammed as many of my belongings as I could into my car and then drove the 350 miles to my parents house, where I have been living in fear ever since, as I know he knows where I am.
The night this happened, I had just told my husband that I would like to separate, due to his episodes of violent rage happening with increasing frequency (although not usually directed at me). It made me feel vulnerable and I didn't want to raise my son around that. Once he threw our barbecue across the road. Another time he said he was going to find our landlord and stamp on his head. I needed to get out. And when I tried, that is what happened.
For the last 6 weeks, I haven't heard anything at all from him. He his still on police bail while the CPS make a decision as to whether or not to bring charges, and his bail conditions stipulate that he can't contact me directly or indirectly in the interim. His job is very important to him and is very much in the public eye (absolutely not a celebrity or anything of the sort, but a totally unique role and he is frequently asked to do interviews for the news etc.), and so a breach of bail leading to a criminal conviction would be terrible news for him. But as soon as those bail conditions are lifted - 350 miles is nothing to an angry bastard who has been subject to criminal proceedings and hasn't seen his only son in nearly 2 months, so I'm frightened. I've started locking myself in the house, I have had a lock put on my bedroom door, and I carry a secret camera on my wrist at all times even when I'm in the house, just in case he turns up. Being assaulted in your home with no witnesses and thus slim-to-nil chances of prosecution makes you really desperate to PROVE this shit.
Anyway, we had only been married a year, whirlwind romance etc. He really got me. It turns out this whole time we have been separated he has been messaging my mum, asking for photos of the baby and wanting to arrange contact with him. She obligied and sent him photos, without telling me, as she understandably thought I was too fragile at the time. Now that I know, I have asked her to please stop replying to his messages, as (a) there are some very serious legal proceedings about to take place, and (b) I'm desperately trying to protect myself and my son from this piece of shit.
Now my mum says she doesn't think my STBXH deserves to be separated from his son, and that my son deserves to know his dad. My baby is 9 months old, and the happiest baby you could hope to meet. I would never stop him from knowing his dad later when he wants to, and when he is old enough to know if something is wrong and to communicate it to me, but right now, when this is still very raw and my baby is still very little, my priorities are protecting us both and keeping us both as far away from this monster as possible. Mum says that people make mistakes...
Who is BU?

OP posts:
coconutpie · 02/12/2018 21:38

He has broken bail conditions. Call the police immediately and ask them to come around so you can show them your mum's phone and to get the police to talk some sense into her. Your mum is fucking stupid and she has put both you and your son at risk. Does your dad know that your mum has been contacting the man who tried to kill you??

coconutpie · 02/12/2018 21:39

Don't engage with your mum. Just call the police immediately. Don't give her a chance to delete the evidence.

Diva1985 · 02/12/2018 21:40

I am appalled by your Mothers actions. I have been in a very similar position to you. My ex has a lifelong restraining order and when he started texting my Mum she blocked him and rung the Police as my restraining order states he can only contact me via a solicitor or through the family courts re child contact.

You need to go to a refuge where you can be kept safe.

Penguinsetpandas · 02/12/2018 21:42

You definitely need to get away and not have contact. Your Mum is either very naive / susceptible to charm or is more bothered about appearing to play perfect families to the world than keeping you safe.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 02/12/2018 21:43

Wow. Your mum is behaving terribly. Maybe she can't reconcile what she thought of him with how he acted but still.

Yes people make mistakes but it isn't a mistake - he is violent and aggressive so this is who he is and he clearly hasn't learnt from past incidents. You need to sit down and explain again how much this is affecting you and how fragile you feel and how much you need your family to be on side and offer a safe space.

2 women a week are killed by their partner or ex partner, and usually violence escalates. Unless she can be 100pc sure he has changed which is impossible as she doesn't know him, she should not be risking your and your sons personal safety to give him the benefit of the doubt. It does not benefit a baby to witness their father be abusive to their mother, no matter how good a dad they seem

HappyHedgehog247 · 02/12/2018 21:44

Hello. I’m so sorry this happened to you. Have you spoken to women’s aid? They were helpful for me. Im worried that your mum won’t be able to maintain the boundaries you and your son need at the moment. The fact that there have been repeated episodes, the fact his violence escalated, the fact you were asleep so it wasn’t an in-the-moment impulse are all warning signs. When I left my abusive ex, my family didn’t get it at first. I didn’t cut them out of my life, but I did find a friend who got it while I explained to them until they understood. The online Freedom project was great for me along with the short ebook that comes with it.

Rattinghat · 02/12/2018 21:44

Maybe the police would be prepared to call your mum to explain the seriousness of what she has done. Frankly I wouldn't trust her not to let him in the house if he appears. Try to find somewhere else.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 02/12/2018 21:44

I agree you need to call the police and tell them he has been in touch with your mum.

Whattheactualhellisthisabout · 02/12/2018 21:44

You need to call NCDV and have them arrange an emergency restraining order (Non-mol)

Kardashianlove · 02/12/2018 21:45

As lovely and amazing as your mum may be, her decision making is extremely poor. Her thought process doesn’t seem to be what you would expect in this situation.

Do you really want to risk you and/or your baby being subjected to another poor decision from your mum which could put either/both of you in (literally) a potentially life threatening situation.

It doesn’t sound like your mum (for whatever reason) is actually capable of protecting you or your baby. Now you are aware of this, you need to move with your baby to somewhere safe (friends house/refuge).

Your mums words and actions are also minimising what has happened to you, which is likeky to be detrimental to how you recover from what’s happened.

LizzieBennettDarcy · 02/12/2018 21:45

Dear God your mum is actually putting you and your DC in even more danger. I don't think you are remotely safe staying there.... she will probably let him in if he turns up, and you need to be safe. Nothing else matters right now other than your safety. Ring Womens Aid in the morning and see if they can help you with a refuge. Your mum is no doubt well meaning but she's jeopardising your lives.

brizzledrizzle · 02/12/2018 21:47

Your STBXH and your mother are BVVVVU. I'm hard pushed to say who is the most unreasonable.

NoExcusesNoRegrets · 02/12/2018 21:48

Contact your local domestic violence organisation. See about getting into a refuge. You don’t need the added stress and fear of your parents talking to him and sending him photos. A local organisation can get you enrolled in the freedom programme, get you legal advice and help you to protect you and your baby x

TatianaLarina · 02/12/2018 21:48

I’d get one of these GPS trackers with an SOS button.

link

I agree you need to get the police to talk to her. They will be very nice to her.

Jux · 02/12/2018 21:48

Ask the police to have a word with her urgently.

Meanwhile, you are not safe there; ring Women's Aid and ask for help. Maybe your mum could talk to them after you?

onefootinthegrave · 02/12/2018 21:52

op please move somewhere else with your son Flowers

Yidette86 · 02/12/2018 21:52

I'm sorry op but your Mum is off her rocker. She should have not responded to him at all, that's bad enough but now she's dictating that this aggressive violent so called man that could have killed her daughter and threatened to, all whilst their son was right next to her as well, should have access to his son?

Why on earth would anyone suggest that he should see your son? If you did feel your son should have contact with his father it should surely be through a contact centre so it's supervised, I wouldn't trust him alone with your son with a temper like that, no way... She's being unreasonable and quite naive.

TheDarkPassenger · 02/12/2018 21:53

First off, HE HAS BREACHED BAIL CONDITIONS.

So get the cunt locked up until trial. Call the police.

Your mum. I can’t even. What does your dad think? Because I know we’d have to lock my dad in a room to stop him going for anyone that did this to one of his daughters, I’m not even joking it’s nearly happened before.

I’m so sorry your parents aren’t supporting you Sad personally I would go to a refuge

Whattheactualhellisthisabout · 02/12/2018 21:54

@justthebeginning Please respond if you can x

Willyoujustbequiet · 02/12/2018 21:55

My mum did this too. Sadly its not that uncommon in dv cases. A lot of older women are misogynistic. Social conditioning I think. Mine ultimately sacrificed her relationship with me and her grandchildren over her inability to process the actual truth. You cant reason with it.

Aeroflotgirl · 02/12/2018 21:56

In the cold light of day, your mum betrayed your trust in the worse possible way, she not only put an abusive and violent man above the safety and well being of her daughter and baby, but she put you both in danger, and that is not something I would ever forgive easily. It goes against all mothers instincts to protect their child even when they are an adult, and is just so wrong on so many levels. You do need to go from there into somewhere safe. Lots of good advice on here.

pictish · 02/12/2018 21:59

he will have worked the same charm on your mum as he did on you...whirlwind romance you said.
She’ll be thinking she’s giving a balanced view because he has brought her round to his vision of the father bereft and full of regret.

Your mum sounds lovely. It is clearly out of character for her to betray you. Tread very carefully....he sounds very manipulative.

CharlesChickens · 02/12/2018 22:00

Op would you show your Mum this thread ? I don’t think she has believed that he could have killed you, with your baby next to you.
I have met people like your Mum, lovely, but so keen to see the good in everyone that they refuse to accept when a situation is beyond help and when it is highly dangerous.
He could turn up , and he could also attack your parents.
Would the police talk to your parents and make them see the seriousness of this ?
I strongly suggest showing your Mum this thread, she may well find it painful reading but she needs to accept the truth, and the truth is that leaving is the most dangerous time for a woman living with a violent man. Leaving is when she is most likely to be killed.
Op’s Mum, if you are reading this, please listen, and please take advice from women’s aid who will explain that what you are doing is incredibly dangerous to your daughter, your grandson and your whole family.
Op I think you need to find somewhere else to live, I’m so sorry this has happened to you.

Spero · 02/12/2018 22:09

Your mother.

He isn't safe to have contact unless and until he recognises what he has done and what he is and makes effort to change.

She is potentially as dangerous as he is. Be very, very careful.

Missingstreetlife · 02/12/2018 22:10

So sorry op. Legal advice, injunction, child protection, women's aid, police. As quick as you can.
I don't know what your mum is thinking but the next thing is she's going to arrange for him to visit, or see the baby. He will try to take the baby or at least intimidate you into contact.
Get somewhere safe and have this guy locked up. Your mum needs a good talking to, but I wouldn't rely on that keeping me safe.
Stay strong and get help.