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Domestic Violence: Who is BU?

160 replies

justthebeginning · 02/12/2018 20:23

Six weeks ago on Saturday morning I woke up at 4am to my husband pushing a pillow into my face, stopping me from breathing, and screaming at me "This is just a taste of what you've got to come... You'll have to spend the rest of your life watching your back..." etc. I had our 8 month old baby cuddled up next to me at the time.
He eventually stopped, threw the pillow down, shouted some more abuse and threats, then left the room. After I dithered and rang my mum and dithered some more, I eventually called the police, who arrested him and held him in custody for the remainder of the day while I crammed as many of my belongings as I could into my car and then drove the 350 miles to my parents house, where I have been living in fear ever since, as I know he knows where I am.
The night this happened, I had just told my husband that I would like to separate, due to his episodes of violent rage happening with increasing frequency (although not usually directed at me). It made me feel vulnerable and I didn't want to raise my son around that. Once he threw our barbecue across the road. Another time he said he was going to find our landlord and stamp on his head. I needed to get out. And when I tried, that is what happened.
For the last 6 weeks, I haven't heard anything at all from him. He his still on police bail while the CPS make a decision as to whether or not to bring charges, and his bail conditions stipulate that he can't contact me directly or indirectly in the interim. His job is very important to him and is very much in the public eye (absolutely not a celebrity or anything of the sort, but a totally unique role and he is frequently asked to do interviews for the news etc.), and so a breach of bail leading to a criminal conviction would be terrible news for him. But as soon as those bail conditions are lifted - 350 miles is nothing to an angry bastard who has been subject to criminal proceedings and hasn't seen his only son in nearly 2 months, so I'm frightened. I've started locking myself in the house, I have had a lock put on my bedroom door, and I carry a secret camera on my wrist at all times even when I'm in the house, just in case he turns up. Being assaulted in your home with no witnesses and thus slim-to-nil chances of prosecution makes you really desperate to PROVE this shit.
Anyway, we had only been married a year, whirlwind romance etc. He really got me. It turns out this whole time we have been separated he has been messaging my mum, asking for photos of the baby and wanting to arrange contact with him. She obligied and sent him photos, without telling me, as she understandably thought I was too fragile at the time. Now that I know, I have asked her to please stop replying to his messages, as (a) there are some very serious legal proceedings about to take place, and (b) I'm desperately trying to protect myself and my son from this piece of shit.
Now my mum says she doesn't think my STBXH deserves to be separated from his son, and that my son deserves to know his dad. My baby is 9 months old, and the happiest baby you could hope to meet. I would never stop him from knowing his dad later when he wants to, and when he is old enough to know if something is wrong and to communicate it to me, but right now, when this is still very raw and my baby is still very little, my priorities are protecting us both and keeping us both as far away from this monster as possible. Mum says that people make mistakes...
Who is BU?

OP posts:
lily2403 · 02/12/2018 21:09

Call police about breach of bail,and I’m seriously shocked that a mother would do this

Upoverunder · 02/12/2018 21:10

You need to apply for a non molestation order asap. You can download the forms from gov website.

Once the bail conditions are dropped you'll need this in place.

Wordthe · 02/12/2018 21:11

Like everyone else I'm appalled to hear about your mother's part in this I can only think that your stbx has got to her in some way and she is somehow under his control and he is working through her to get to you.
I would just humour her so as not to tip him off that you know what he's up to, you cannot trust her she will betray you, do not give her any important information

looondonn · 02/12/2018 21:12

this is so similar to my situation

sadly when I tried to flee the b**tard while 38 weeks pg after he lifted a knife to me - my family drove me back to him in their car

this is so hard
just be to the point with your mum

no contact with him

stay well away - a man like that will go on to kill

my ex was in a similar job work wise
he was worried about his public image

oh and as for criminal proceedings - keep going
it is hard and you will hear some bull but keep going

you are safe now
you need to make your family aware of the risks - SPELL IT OUT TO THEM

Nowisthemonthofmaying · 02/12/2018 21:12

Please inform the police about this - it sounds like he's breached his bail conditions - this is an arrestable offence and it could lead to him being kept in custody until his court appearance if they do decide to charge him. He will have been told very clearly that he is not allowed any contact either directly or indirectly, including via family members, and he has completely ignored that.

As for your mum's behavior, I'm horrified. I would be trying to get a place in a refuge as you could never trust her not to let him into her house, given what she's been doing. He tried to kill you. That is not a 'mistake'.

BlaaBlaaBlaa · 02/12/2018 21:13

Your mum is being completely unreasonable. I'm shocked.
My best friend was in a similar situation to you. She went back because she was convinced it was a one off. He killed her.
Stay as far away from him as you possibly can for your own safety.

AcrossthePond55 · 02/12/2018 21:14

I'm going to take you at face value, that your mum is 'kind and empathetic' (although IMO at the least she's foolish, at the worst she's cruel) Is there someone, anyone who can talk to her that she will actually listen to? Someone who will tell her that her being in any sort of contact with that monster is a betrayal of the worst kind? That the level of relationship between that monster and your child is 1000% up to you and the courts to decide? If she won't listen to you or to anyone else, then you must find another place to live. And you must NOT tell her where that is. Because the next thing she might do is think that that monster needs to see your son and it's her job to facilitate it!

volvicsummerfruits · 02/12/2018 21:15

Oh I've done this.

We had to change the hours my DC attended things that my family knew of to avoid them giving details away to him

They still suggest taking DC to meet him. I'm still the baddy for saying no, court and supervised if he wants it.

It's really hard when you know people mean well. But the fact is... they CANNOT be trusted.

Don't trust them. Love them. But don't trust them. 💐

MulticolourMophead · 02/12/2018 21:17

Please inform the police about this - it sounds like he's breached his bail conditions - this is an arrestable offence and it could lead to him being kept in custody until his court appearance if they do decide to charge him. He will have been told very clearly that he is not allowed any contact either directly or indirectly, including via family members, and he has completely ignored that.

OP, please look at this, I agree with this poster.

SusieQ5604 · 02/12/2018 21:17

This is ATTEMPTING TO CONTACT YOU INDIRECTLY. Report him!!!!

Boulty · 02/12/2018 21:19

Don't listen to your mother. The next time the pillow over the face might work. Your mother is mad.

Do not return to him. Get help from Woman's Aid find somewhere else to live.

You and your child deserve so much better. Be strong and stay safe

cherish123 · 02/12/2018 21:21

Under normal circumstances, yes, a father should be able to see his child but he is extremely violent and dangerous. What on earth was your mum thinking??!

Xenadog · 02/12/2018 21:22

OP, I’d contact the police immediately and let them know what has happened. I’d also ask the police to talk to your mum and get them to spell it out to her how dangerous her behaviour is toward you. She is minimising this bastard’s awful, awful violence where he could actually have killed you.

If you have even a smidge of doubt that she won’t keep you safe after speaking to the police then leave and go to a refuge and do not tell her where you are going.

I’m so sorry you are facing this.

Sidelook · 02/12/2018 21:24

He has broken his bail conditions by indirectly contacting you. Through a third party, your mum. Report this to the police.
He is manipulating your mum, he is a danger. You defiantly should leave and go into a safe refuge.

M0reGinPlease · 02/12/2018 21:25

He has broken his bail conditions.

OP do you have anywhere else to stay, a trusted friend or other relative?

Well done for leaving. Stay strong.

diddl · 02/12/2018 21:27

"my son deserves to know his dad."

Hmm, where do you draw the line between "deserves to know" or deserves to be protected from"?

I would say that your mum isn't qualified to make such decisions tbh.

Also in this case the mother was being abused whilst cuddling the baby ffs!

LakieLady · 02/12/2018 21:29

Please get out of there. It's not safe. Your husband is devious, manipulative and angry, and you are at risk.

Call Women's Aid, speak to the police, go and stay in a hotel/with a friend, all 3 even, but you need to get away from your DM's.

From now on, only meet your mother on neutral territory, in public places and make sure that they are places where you can check out that he's not around before you make your presence known.

I'm sure your mum means well, but she has put you, and your child, at risk. Ask the police if they have a DV specialist officer who can explain the risk to your mum.

OP, this made my blood run cold. Please get yourself somewhere safe, asap.

Ploverlover · 02/12/2018 21:30

Gosh, OP! Well done for getting out. You are absolutely correct that your son should not grow up around that. You poor thing.

A long shot, but any chance he's done this before? Any "crazy exes" he has mentioned? These men rarely do this once. I know it's a bit "archers", but I'd happily testify for any future wives/girlfriends of my ex. It's harder for him to shrug off if more than one woman can say what he's like.

Stay strong.

EtVoilaBrexit · 02/12/2018 21:32

You need legal advice ASAP. He is using your mum and the idea of him been so attached to his child to try and get to you.

What your mum is saying is basically a repeat if another thread where the victim of an abuser is asked to ensure contact of their child with said abuser (this was about rape but it could be any abuse).
Basically the idea is that the most important thing is for the child to have a contact with his father regardless of what he has done.

I fully disagree with that.
He tried to KILL you, with his child just next to you. And someone thinks he deserve a relationship with his child?!?

starandson · 02/12/2018 21:32

So sorry you’re going through this. You need to get away and not tell your mum where you are, for your own safety.

hannahlazara · 02/12/2018 21:33

You need support, not someone who not going to support you saying that and doing it behind, your back maybe do clairs law on him, ppl like that have big history of dv ( I know my ex has) maybe show her.
Men like that have no interest in thire kids, its just wepon they can use against you and control you and just make your life a misary, they are disfunctional parents and often children become vortex of the domestic violence. You done the right thing by moving away. If he continues to harras you log it with the police every time and apply for a mol order, keep a log with dates and times he tries in contact, keep any emails and letters from ( you going to need those for evidence in the future).
Maybe get women aid to talk to your mother or ask her to come join a dv course with you that women aid do, maybe then it will sink in.

SilverDoe · 02/12/2018 21:34

I’m so sorry for you and your baby FlowersFlowers

You know your mum is being unreasonable, the important thing is to make her understand just how serious this is, so that you can both keep your support network and protect yourself and you child.

Could you show your mum this post and all the replies? Would the responses help her to appreciate how serious this is and what a betrayal of your confidence it is to be in contact with your ex?

Wishing you strength Flowers

diddl · 02/12/2018 21:35

Just to point out though, whilst I think that your mum has been very silly, it's likely that he has known all along that that is where you have been.

BumbleBeee69 · 02/12/2018 21:37

I really don't think badly of my mum, she's hands down the kindest and most empathetic person I've ever met, and she (and my dad) goes to massive lengths to support and help me, and now my son too

She has no loyalty and her behaviour is dangerous, because she is supporting your violent ex too.

you MUST cut your idiot of a Mother out of your life if you want to have any chance of survival, she has made dangerous decisions about your Child without your knowledge.

I also agree that you need to inform the Police that he has continually broken Bail Conditions by contacting your Parents.

Your Mother is not a good person, she's a dangerous interfering bat.

Wordthe · 02/12/2018 21:37

I think your mum has done something that she ought not to, or he's got something on her or he has some kind of hold on her
There's a very big piece missing in this jigsaw.... the piece that explains why she's taking his side and not protecting you