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To think that parents who don't vaccinate their children are despicable

585 replies

LaBelleSauvage · 24/11/2018 01:30

Just that. And I think they ought to be sanctioned in some way similar to in Australia. Children shouldn't suffer because of parents' stupidity

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WhentheRabbitsWentWild · 24/11/2018 12:52

Fuck Off

My DM never vaccinated me and I am fine . How DARE You call her despicable . You cannot force anyone to do anything , no matter how much control freaks might want too

GF

WhentheRabbitsWentWild · 24/11/2018 12:53

Also, do you think only those on benefits refuse this ? What with your bitchy sanction idea like ?!

Andro · 24/11/2018 12:53

JenFromTheGlen - do you have any idea just how difficult it is to get a doctor, any doctor, to admit that a vaccine caused a bad reaction?

I had 3 vaccine-induced bouts of anaphylaxis before it was acknowledged that I was reacting to the vaccines, the doctors still won't admit that my DD nearly died because of one (apparently anaphylaxis leading to cardiac arrest was 'an unfortunate coincidence' and the reaction 'couldn't be clearly attributed to the vaccinations' - those would be the vaccinations she'd had minutes before the reaction kicked in).

Not all doctors are like this, but some flatly refuse to admit that the 1/100,000 or 1/million reaction has happened.

Vaccination uptake needs to be supported, but parents need to be able to trust the system before they start being punished by it.

BlaaBlaaBlaa · 24/11/2018 12:54

@when your fine because other people have been vaccinated. You're benefitting from herd immunity.

Pimpernell · 24/11/2018 12:55

My DM never vaccinated me and I am fine . How DARE You call her despicable

Are you fine though? You sound like you may have a fever.

bellinisurge · 24/11/2018 12:55

Do you think dying of a communicable disease because you are immunocompromised is ok?

Pimpernell · 24/11/2018 12:56

All the boo hoos from people who don't like idiotic anti vaxxers being called idiots.

JenFromTheGlen · 24/11/2018 13:01

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mumsastudent · 24/11/2018 13:02

I don think they are despicable just misinformed the internet & media have a lot to answer for - with people throwing out false or misleading information. Its ignorance & I would agree, a degree of selfishness.

JacquesHammer · 24/11/2018 13:03

My DM never vaccinated me and I am fine . How DARE You call her despicable

You’re fine because other people are vaccinated.

Seriously HOW do people not understand this?

JacquesHammer · 24/11/2018 13:04

Laughing at the sheer stupidity that wanting to erase desperately dangerous diseases from society and protect the vulnerable is being “a control freak”.

BakedBeans47 · 24/11/2018 13:09

No one’s forcing anyone to do anything. But no vaccines = no child benefit, state childcare or education is fair enough.

BudgieBalls · 24/11/2018 13:10

@Iwanttobreakfreefreefree There is a picture of a huge room full of iron lungs if you google iron lung.

If you mean this photo it was staged the iron lungs aren't even connected to any equipment...

It's ironic how anti-vaxxers are called morons etc and are ridiculed for using Google for research (not saying it was you who said this, I can't be bothered to go back and check) when pro-vaxxers are guilty of the same thing Confused

A quick search of the cutter incident and you will see just how much damage that polio vaccine did.

To think that parents who don't vaccinate their children are despicable
TheBigBangRocks · 24/11/2018 13:16

I'd happily vote for no vaccinations no school entry, NHS, child benefit etc unless there's a medical reason they can't be given.

It's about society as a whole. Lots of poor choices parents make affect others so somebody needs to be strong enough to stop it.

Bippityboo2 · 24/11/2018 13:16

Anti-vaxxers are self absorbed narcissists and I pay them as much mind as flat earthers. Fair enough, if you choose that for yourself, but don't inflict it on your children. Herd immunity has been proven successfully to work. We have an immune system, and yes I realise, bacteria and viruses are constantly mutating, if our body has been challenged with a form of, say, measles and has the antibodies in place it's in a far better position to deal with a mutated form of the virus in the worse case scenario than someone who has no basic immunity to it.

Our immune systems have to be challenged, we can't vaccinate against every pathogen, but there needs to be a common sense approach. These vaccinations are in place for a purpose; polio, rubella, mumps etc are illnesses which caused many issues/deaths historically for the very young and immune compromised, why wouldn't you want your child to be protected from that? Why would you want them to suffer unnecessarily for something that could have been prevented or at the very least reduced in severity significantly?

Conversely, people not choosing to vaccinate is not solely responsible for resurgence in virtually eradicated diseases, things like over prescribing antibiotics, antibiotics in animal feeds etc have essentially forced these bugs to mutate, what is much scarier is that a fair few of these bugs are now resistant to drugs commonly used to treat them in the past i.e. MRSA, VRE, MDRTB, with very few new treatments forthcoming

Carpetglasssofa · 24/11/2018 13:21

My DM never vaccinated me and I am fine

And I sincerely hope you stay that way. But you should be aware that, since the Wakefield disgrace, vaccination rates across the world have been falling. Herd immunity is being lost. Diseases which you could easily be protected against are becoming much more common.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/measles-vaccine-mmr-public-health-14824474.amp

You might want to avoid Manchester and other large cities, to reduce your risk of becoming infected.

Amaaboutthis · 24/11/2018 13:26

Can some of you not understand that just because YOU are fine it doesn’t mean it’s ok not to vaccinate, you’re relying on other people to protect you.

The ONLY people who have an excuse not to c
Vaccinate are those who cant be vaccinated and those fall into 2 categories

  1. those who have tried vaccinations and had a terrible response

  2. those for whom it would be dangerous to have a vaccination because of illness etc.

Absolutely everyone else should be vaccinated, no exceptions.

LilQueenie · 24/11/2018 13:27

Unless you yourself have had all recent and up to date vacs as an adult and have gone to length to ensure they have actually activated in your immune system giving you protection and have waited indoors the necessary time for some of them to prevent shedding to the immunocompromised then yeah maybe you can say something but I am pretty sure you haven't done all these things so YABVU. Not to mention goady.

bellinisurge · 24/11/2018 13:30

@Carpetglasssofa , I live in the Manchester area and stupid idiots are putting immunocompromised people like me at risk. Personal choice, my arse.

Bluesmartiesarebest · 24/11/2018 13:34

YANBU

I don’t think children should be allowed at nursery or school if they haven’t been vaccinated. Anti Vaxxers should have their children put on an at risk register by social services as it’s a form of neglect. They should pay extra taxes to cover the cost of care for when their child catches measles.

Leonie87 · 24/11/2018 13:53

Honestly I’d involve social services if they had the resources.

Weetabixandshreddies · 24/11/2018 13:55

I'm immunocompromised. I've had all the vaccinations available when I was a child. My children are fully vaccinated.

Anyone not vaccinated threatens my life. My body can no longer recognise illnesses that I've been vaccinated against nor things like chicken pox that I had as a child.

If you or your children aren't vaccinated then the very least that you should do is tell people so that they can choose whether to associate with you or not.

Bittermints · 24/11/2018 13:57

One of the reasons for mass immunisation is because it's a compassionate thing to do. Nobody likes to see another person suffering needlessly.

Another reason is it makes financial sense for society. (I know this will strike some as a very cold thing to point out, but public policy has to be decided with an eye to the financial consequences.) It's a lot cheaper to immunise millions of children than to deal with the consequences of having high rates of infectious diseases. We'd need to spend a lot more on GPs, community nurses/health visitors, medication, hospitals, rehab centres, social security benefits for people with lifelong disabilities. There would be a huge loss of working time if parents had to be at home with a very sick child. It would probably make it harder for parents to get work, especially mothers. Children would lose out on significant chunks of education, affecting their prospects. The children who died and the children who were left in poor health would be unable to contribute to the economy. Bereavement takes a great toll on the health of families and would also affect their ability to work and support themselves.

Far better from every point of view to prevent these diseases as far as possible.

Pimpernell · 24/11/2018 13:58

Below is a thread I saw on Twitter this week detailing what happened when a child who was undergoing chemo was exposed to the measles

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