I don't know what relevance the needing-pill-for-heavy-periods posts have to my post. I'm pretty sure a mother would notice and bring her daughter to the Dr herself if that was the case.
so you're completely IGNORING the posts by those who were left suffering because their mothers had ridiculous objections to their being on the pill for medical reasons
To the posters mentioning 17 year olds: I'm talking THIRTEEN here. There's a huge difference - the age of consent being one.
point is these children were once 13 also and I and other mothers of teens have dealt with these issues with children of that age
If a 13 year old is being raped then a Dr needs to get the social services and police involved, not just provide her with contraceptives. Surely she should also need the help of her parents here too. If the parents are abusive, then get her the hell out of there.
^wow! You couldn't be more ignorant or offensive if you tried! Csa is far more complex than 'just tell' especially if it's a parent that is the abuser - I'm a survivor I didn't tell anyone until I was an adult and even then I wasn't believed always! Before you comment on this subject again you need to learn more about it*
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If a 13 year old is "choosing" to have sex then something's gone wrong somewhere and she needs counselling not just contraceptives. Again, surely parents are the ones who can most help her. You can't say on one hand, "Oh the parents are so abusive, they can't know about her contraceptives" but then just leave here there.
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again - the ignorance is astounding! It's not always safe to tell the parents. Children who have sex very young often do so as a reaction to poor even abusive home life. And going in heavy handed to try and 'solve' this can be extremely counterproductive
And the posts saying how important open discussion is (not the ones advising me in a way to assuage my fears but the ones implying I'm indoctrinating my kids with flying storks and Eeeeevil Contraceptives): it's the opposite of open for Drs to prescribe medication to a child without telling the parent and also dangerous. My Drs surgery doesn't have someone sitting at reception to answer calls from A&E in the middle of the night about what medication patients are taking.
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if a patient is admitted to a&e their medical records can be accessed anyway if necessary. It's not 'the opposite of open' for patients to be given the respect of confidentiality from their Drs - who ARE being open with them and with whom they CAN be open, just because there isn't discussion with parents doesn't mean there's no openness there.*
Scarbados - I too remember gillick she came across as a puritanical controlling dick to me!
"Victoria Gillick also excelled herself more recently by campaigning for UKIP which told me all I needed to know about her thinking and reasoning skills." Didn't know this but not surprised
Yes scarbados of course they need to be protected. If the 2 pregnant girls hadn't become pregnant would their rapes have come to light? I'm not suggesting it's better that they got pregnant but just asking the question. Were they then removed from their abusive homes?
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except that's exactly what you're implying! Don't be disingenuous. Also going to the dr for contraception can open the way for those girls to disclose to the GP or for the GP to assess if there's something untoward going on, better that way than as a result of an unplanned pregnancy - which as you're so fond of talking about the risks of contraception carries greater risks actually*
JacquesHammer I guess I feel it's telling her that being raped at 13 is just the hand she's been dealt and she has to man up and do damage limitation rather than sending a clear message that it's not right and she is a victim who needs help.
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Giles Your logic is that no parent should be automatically informed when their 13 year old daughter is put on the pill as some Dads are raping their daughters? So legislation is for the what the- .1% of the population?
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Ffs! 1/20 children are sexually abused - that we know about! I'm not in that statistic I don't think (as I have no evidence my word against his) and many never report to anyone. But even if it was .1% of the population - it's the .1% of the population that is the most vulnerable - those that are from happy homes not being abused don't need the protection and their parents will likely know what they need to*
Seems to me you'd rather throw csa and rape victims under the bus just because you can't bear the thought of your teens doing something sensible under the care of an hcp without your control permission. Nice 🤔