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111 reported me to Social Services! Absolutely Fuming!!! (Sorry- LONG)

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discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:00

Posting here for traffic.

Background:

Me and DH are ftp to a much wanted and planned 11 week old baby. Baby is beautiful and the cutest thing we’ve ever seen but he’s a notoriously bad sleeper (he’s a cat napping meerkat at best). That coupled with the fact that baby has had a consistent cold/viral infection since 9 days old has meant that we’re both constantly exhausted and feel like we’ve been hit by a bus.

Context:

Baby has so far had a number of visits to see the GP for feeding/digestive issues and two visits to A&E- the first at 9 days of age because he wasn’t feeding well (diagnosed with a cold and prescribed saline drops) and the second time at 9 weeks old for the same issue plus him appearing drowsy/sleepy (totally out of character for the poor guy). The second visit to A&E came about when I rang NHS 111. The lady asked me a million questions and then said she was calling an ambulance just to be on the safe side. I cried thinking I’d missed major signs related to baby being poorly but she was lovely and reassuring and said baby seemed fine and the ambulance people would simply check him to see if further action was needed. As it happens, the paramedics arrived within minutes and carried out their assessments. They said they weren’t worried in the least and asked me why I’d requested an ambulance. I told Them I hadn’t- the lady at 111 had. At this, they looked at each other and rolled their eyes and one of them said something along the lines of ‘bloody idiots need their heads knocking together’. They told me that since they had been called they would have to take baby to A&E to get him checked over by medical staff. When we got to hospital and they handed us over to the triage nurse, she asked why they’d been sent out to see a child with symptoms of the cold. One of the paramedic said ‘111’ and the nurse mouthed ‘bloody t@ats’. After a couple of hours, baby was seen by the Paediatrician, diagnosed again as having a cold, prescribed saline drops again and we were sent home.

Current situation:

Baby was seriously congested, didn’t want to feed as much and wasn’t sleeping much at all- he’d sleep for a few minutes and would then wake up spluttering. I’d pick him up, pat his back and put him down again but the same thing would happen. Thinking 111 was an out of hours GP service and would advise me, I called them and asked them what I could do to help the baby breathe a bit better. After getting his details wrong a couple of times, I was passed onto someone else who also struggled to locate baby’s details on the 111 computer system. This second person was curt and very, very cold. She asked me a number of questions in a very robotic manner and simply wanted a yes/no answer. She asked me if baby was grunting when he breathed. I told her I didn’t think so but I didn’t know what a grunting breath sounded like. So I mimicked the baby and said ‘is that what you mean? Is that grunting?’ She said she wasn’t in a position to say as she wasn’t there with us. She asked me again if baby was grunting so I asked her to give me an example of a grunt- she said she couldn’t as different people had different versions of what a grunt was! In the end, I said baby was not grunting. At the end of the assessment, she said the baby didn’t sound like he was in danger but we should take him to A&E. I thanked her and said if he wasn’t in any danger then I’d keep an eye on him for the next couple of hours and if he got worse, I’d take him to hospital as my husband (the only driver) was ill himself and had taken medication that made him drowsy (I’d have called a cab). At this, she became incredulous and confrontational and said ‘are you putting your welfare ahead of your child’s? You need to get him to A&E now!’ Because she was so aloof throughout the call, the tone she used to speak to me made me see red so I repeated what I had said firmly that I’d monitor the baby myself and if things got any worse, I’d take him to the hospital. I explained we’d been in previously and been told the baby had had a cold and needed to rest it out. I said I didn’t think waiting in A&E past midnight on a cold night would do him any good. She completely ignored what I had said and kept talking over me repeating ‘so you’re not taking him to A&E?!’ When I said ‘not for the moment, no’. She said ‘right, I’m reporting you to social services- your child should be your first priority!’ When I asked to speak to her manager, she told me there wasn’t one but she’d get the duty Gp to call us as a matter of urgency.

We did end up going into A&E (at 1:30am) as baby’s temperature was slightly on the low side. The triage nurse told us baby looked okay. She also said since it was a busy night, we should be prepared for a long wait. While waiting, we got a call from the duty Dr at 111. She said from what we’d told her that the baby had a cold and that he needed a rest. She said it was good we’d gone into A&E just to be on the safe side. She apologised when I explained what her colleague had said about making a referral to Social Services. She said she’d put a note on the system for everything to be put on hold and that she’d get someone to give me a call in the morning to talk through that horrendous 111 call. We ended up waiting in a corridor from 1:30-8:30am (no beds cubicles/beds available as there were children there with much serious ailments) and when were seen by the Paediatrician, we were told they’d put us at the bottom of the list as baby had not been deemed ill/serious enough! We were given some more saline drops and sent on our way.

We got home about lunchtime and as I was rocking the baby to sleep. DH got a call from an anonymous number- our local social services! The social worker said we’d been referred overnight as a matter of urgency did he agree that our son was in danger of being neglected? DH told her about the call and how he felt it was a malicious referral and that he was not willing to discuss matters any further as we’d be making a formal complaint against the 111 member of staff for escalating things without reason. The SW told him that since a referral was made, they’d have to act one way or another- either with his consent or without!

To cut an even longer story short- no one from 111 direct called us again to query what had happened. The Social Worker has since passed on our details to the local children’s centre and we’ve had them make contact re: baby’s welfare. We’ve asked for support re: his sleep which although needed is more to get them off our backs. I’m so so so upset and angry that SS were used as a threat/ammunition by the 111 worker in an attempt to force us to comply to her dodgy assessment. I’m a regular user of the children’s centre and am now paranoid and self-conscious that the staff there will think I’m a bad mum because SS are involved with our family and that theyll pick on the littlest thing to report me again?! It’s put me off going to anymore sessions with the baby.

Both me and DH are professionals who are incredibly responsive parents. We are not a SS family. We need help getting the baby to sleep but can do that through a sleep consultant privately. We do not need a SW keeping an eye on us to do that.

So, my question is what should I do next? I’ve contacted 111 again and asked them to get someone senior to call me back re: a complaint. I’m thinking of contacting my local MP about this too. I can’t stand the Daily Fail but I hope one of their journalists is reading this and reports it. I’m so so upset. The relentlessness of motherhood- the constant feedings, changing, sleeplessness, lack of social support, etc. was already a massive struggle but I was managing to stay on the right side of good mental health. This referral is overwhelming me and I fear it’s going to lead to PND, especially since I’m reluctant to take the baby to sessions at the children’s centre. He’s been poorly as it is and we’ve been cooped up at home but I don’t know how I’ll be able to entertain him/socialise once he’s better because I can’t return to the children’s centre. I can’t do it- I feel so ashamed.

Apologies for the rant/she said- I said post but I just needed to get this off my chest. Would welcome other perspectives/advice/guidance.

OP posts:
Wilma89 · 22/11/2018 18:07

I’m so sorry about what you are going through!
Never had a good experience. Rang once regarding chest pains and was told I would get a call back within an hour, never heard anything. Got better and forgot all about it.
Roughly 5 months down the line, the phone rings and the 111 person states that it’s the call back??? They didn’t even apologise when I told them how long ago I made that call, just a brief “oh dear, glad you’re better tho.”

Hmm
lyndar · 22/11/2018 18:07

@discopisco hahaha nobody wants it whether professional or not
Tough

Innocentconglomeration · 22/11/2018 18:08

PND isn't only about doom and gloom. It can also present as increased anxiety, especially around baby's health. For a start.

Second off, you are so unreasonable in your judgemental attitude about SS families.

You've taken a baby to A&E 3 times in less than 3 months. That's abnormally high. That may well be the level that triggers a SS intervention. That's entirely appropriate, and it's also appropriate that SS investigate parents who take their babies to A&E over and over in case of something more serious going on.

discopisco · 22/11/2018 18:08

And aren't all first time/or parents overall exhausted- isn't it part of the whole game? Does that mean all parents need SS involvement?

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 22/11/2018 18:09

Flowers. I'm with Random.

I'm glad my dd is grown up. I wouldn't have another child for all the tea in China. I take my hat to off to anyone with young baby/child.
The stress of motherhood is trying enough without all that. Its no bloody WOnder new mums often become sick.
Not only that but at that but at the other end of her call thers are likely very stressed out and worried parents/ relatives. People have enough going on witb out 'little miss power trip making it worse.
She does after all work In a call center not a travel agents.

RatRolyPoly · 22/11/2018 18:09

Some of these posters are just trolling you now OP.

discopisco · 22/11/2018 18:09

I know @RatRolyPoly - I need to resist the bait!

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cestlavielife · 22/11/2018 18:10

Disco
If your baby turns out to have underlying chronic health issue or disability then you will be grateful for ss involvement as I am.
Ss don't just come in to sort out "problem" families
They can help access support and respite if mother or father has pnd or chronic health issue (perhaps you need extra support if dh is often too drowsy to drive?) Or if baby has issues .

Innocentconglomeration · 22/11/2018 18:11

Being exhausted is one thing.

Refusing to take a baby you have described as being in respiratory distress to A&E is another. You prioritised your husband over your baby. That's a marker for abuse. It doesn't mean you are abusive, it is just a marker, and coupled with your other attendances at A&E has triggered a referral.

Just do the process and take the help. And stop making nasty judgements about "Social services families".

Allthewaves · 22/11/2018 18:11

Have u looked at dairy intolerance- could cause all mucus

cestlavielife · 22/11/2018 18:12

If you professionals and can afford it look at local private doctor service
Of course they will still have safeguarding training but may have more time and space to give information and advice to you

discopisco · 22/11/2018 18:12

@Allthewaves - I've been dairy free for the last 10 weeks. It hasn't helped the little one's symptoms at all :/

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Innocentconglomeration · 22/11/2018 18:13

Seriously, if it wasn't for social services intervention I firmly believe that my daughter would be dead. She would have killed herself.

I am an SS family. So so so nasty it has me in tears. So so horrible. I took the help that was offered through the process we had to go through and nasty judgemental people have me marked as "SS family"? Really? Well bully for you (pun intended)

lyndar · 22/11/2018 18:13

@discopisco they support parents who are struggling and you clearly are
They may offer respite or help with housework etc I really don't understand why you would come on here making a deal out of this
I think you may have mental health issues and ss will help you

lyndar · 22/11/2018 18:14

@discopisco in fact I'm reporting this post -your attitude is appalling

SinkGirl · 22/11/2018 18:15

Yes but surely it’s quite obvious the difference between a cold and a potentially serious illness?

There are some worryingly misinformed people on this thread. In a small baby, most parents wouldn’t know the difference between a cold and bronchiolitis, with which o2 levels can drop very quickly. This is why NHS guidance is to seek medical attention if your baby is under three months old and has a cold, and seek urgent attention if the baby is having any difficulty breathing. Nasal congestion is really frightening with a small baby when they are struggling to breathe, sleep and feed. I spent 11 nights in the high dependency unit with one of my DS at 9 weeks old - he seemed to have a cold one minute and was floppy and unresponsive and in an ambulance the next. They sent us home for five nights saying to go back when it got worse - when we went back his o2 level was 70% and I literally couldn’t tell the difference between him then and when he was at 98%. They assumed it was bronchiolitis but was actually whooping cough.

Of course OP is anxious - her baby is unwell. I’m amazed so many people think it’s easy to tell when a small baby has just a cold and when it has bronchiolitis, whooping cough (no whooping in a small baby) etc.

discopisco · 22/11/2018 18:15

@danni0509

Welcome to the world of parenting OP where you can't do right for doing wrong.

That made me chuckle because it's rings so true- this thread is evidence of that!

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lyndar · 22/11/2018 18:16

@discopisco or you have some thing to hide

iwillkeepthishouseclean · 22/11/2018 18:16

Why are social services a threat to you, you sound like an anxious mam in regards to your first child worried about your child and his symptoms

Social services do not take children without reason ....

Work with them do not be rude when they ring again or angry you have nothing to hide ..

You do not need a sleep consultant your child is 11 weeks old..

Relax let your husband have the baby tonight get some sleep and see how you feel tomorrow

Complaining will not help your son. Health professionals and care professionals will. You state you are a professional yourself you need to stand back and be calm

SinkGirl · 22/11/2018 18:16

One more thing OP - my son was super snorty and always sounded congested but wasn’t,
Lots of rib recessions even when not sick. Ended up being enlarged adenoids. Worth asking your GP for a referral to investigate if the congestion seems constant.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 22/11/2018 18:19

It is exhausting and terrifying being a first time parent. Back in the day I phoned NHS Direct as DS wouldn’t stop crying for hours. I was absolutely at the end of my tether. I remember driving to the 24-hour Tesco to buy Infacol on the call handlers advice, convinced that it would solve everything. It didn’t. I even went to a cranial osteopath for babies 😂. Honestly I cringe now, thinking back. Funnily enough I didn’t do any of that 2 years later with DD Grin. My point is that as a FTP many people really don’t know what the fuck they’re doing and so end up calling 111/going to A&E multiple times because the thought of missing something is too scary to contemplate. OP, there’s no such thing as a SS family and you may want to dial it down a notch or two if they visit. As your baby gets older, you’ll get more confident and will be more in tune with what all the little noises mean for your DS. And you’ll get more sleep Flowers

usernameusername01 · 22/11/2018 18:20

Sounds like you've done everything I did - it's frustrating isn't it. I think they say 5 weeks for dairy free to show a difference, 2 weeks for it to come out of your system and 3 weeks for it to come out of babies. I think you need to keep pushing the GP for reflux medication.

Have SS actually said they are coming round? Did I miss that part? I'm not sure you have PND, I would have said I sounded a lot like you and I had many breakdowns in the GP office while they worked out what was wrong with baby. But I also agree with others, as hacked off as you are, I would do what they ask. If you've proven there's nothing wrong then they'll move on to another family that needs support.

Jaynesworld · 22/11/2018 18:20

Phoning 111 3 times in 11 weeks, when her child is struggling to breathe is NOT a waste of time. OP you have done the right thing in seeking medical advice. It may be just a cold but babies can go downhill rapidly. (It is also quite clear that there may be an underlying medical condition.)
OP is not a medical professional, who can diagnose whether its a common cold, flu, meningitis etc.
Any dr or nurse would much rather see 100 healthy babies than one who is very sick because a parent didnt seek medical advice.
OP sought medical advice, the operator said it wasnt an emergency (otherwise an ambulance would have been called). OP you said you would monitor the situation, for the operator to then refer you to ss is astounding. How can she justify that reaction? For her to tell you that you had to go to a&e immediatley but refuse an ambulance Confused Id be angry too.

discopisco · 22/11/2018 18:20

Thank you @SinkGirl - I'm absolutely shocked at some of the replies I'm getting. I think that's to do with the fact that I used the 'SS family' phrase (which i qualifies later on but no one's bothered reading) and/or they read the daily mail which I've slated in my OP. Other other unidentified issues.

It's so scary seeing a tiny baby in distress. I'm a very strong person but seeing my little one out of sorts really upsets me. I'm sorry to hear of your experience. Things can change so drastically with little ones which is why I'm all about getting the help early on rather than letting things fester/get worse. Hope little one is okay now.

OP posts:
jarhead123 · 22/11/2018 18:22

Missing the point but how are you both Full time parents? How you do afford stuff?

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