To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

[Whyisthisacceptable]

The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

Crowbarring a gap between biology and restrictive stereotyping has been a large step towards allowing men and women, boys and girls to live with a greater freedom of behaviour and expression.

The conflation of sex and gender is a regressive blue brain/ pink brain pit of topsy turvy bullshit that is harmful to everyone.

Someone being black or white doesn't concern me.

Someone self ID'ing as a woman and entering women only areas, concerns me and any other female.

@Unicyclethief I'm happy to accept I made a semantic error there. I meant someone assigned male at birth identifying as female.

@Hyppolyta where exactly is this evidenced? And I said harmed not murdered. This includes harrassment and verbal abuse as well as assaults etc.

@ratrolypoly Thankyou, I have been sitting here wishing I didn’t even start this thread. I may as well have just started putting my point across on the board itself.
I think I shall leave it now and just hide the threads.
It ruins the website for me a bit which I usually find, helpful, supportive and funny.

Imagine being so sure you was born as the wrong sex that you was severely depressed your whole life but women only thought you did it because you wanted to destroy all of their rights
Dearie me.
Your grammar is a hate crime against the English language.

@Therenegademaster If someone wants to self identify as a woman, they would want to use women’s areas. I don’t automatically assume that is with malicious intent. You don’t speak for all females.

I'll ask again: please could you define the word 'women'?

That is not the difficult question you think it is. Clearly they're saying a woman is either a natal female or a trans woman. You know, like when in a dictionary where there are two possible descriptions for the things named in that group. It's not difficult to understand.

I think I shall leave it now and just hide the threads

Aw, and you couldn't answer a single one of my questions 

Other minority groups are not demanding changes in law to the detriment of a large proportion of the population.

It’s the obsession that weirds me out, I fully understand the ‘fight’ and agree with lots of what’s posted over on FWR but it is just becoming overpowering obsession. If anyone transgender takes a shit you can bet someone’s started a thread. Today for example there was thread about the cheek of a university to offer a transgender rememberance event to discuss the violance and stigma that trans people face... cue a thread of people just slating it. Obsessions are not healthy.

I'm a transgender woman on the group so probably best place to respond.

Whilst I accept there are women on the group who do have an issue with transgender I would have to disagree that there are "tons of trans bashing threads". Society as a whole struggles with transgender issues and Mumsnet is no different. It is no better or worse than anywhere else.

I have yet to see any hate crime against trans. I've seen plenty of rudeness, ignorance, ill informed opinions.....however it's a hell of a leap to jump to hate crime.

I can assure you if I see hate crime towards trans I will be the first to speak out.

It ruins the website for me a bit which I usually find, helpful, supportive and funny.

You and me both mate. It still gets me down when I see it creeping onto AIBU, but honestly this place is only bearable to me when the bulk of the mockery and derision is hidden.

There are strict guidelines and the moderators remove transphobic posts.

No, in so many cases they don't.

Maybe because most of us are right op!

Aw, and you couldn't answer a single one of my questions

To be fair she was probably surprised you couldn't answer them yourself. You know, seeing as you asked her what a woman was when she'd already said the word covers trans women in her book.

@Whyisthisacceptable

So you are okay for your pre-pubescent daughter to be in a woman's changing room or toilet with someone who one day decided he wants to be a woman, and still has a fully functioning penis? Do you not understand the risks of self ID'ing?

I fully support fully transitioned trans people, ones that have had hormone treatments, surgeries, mental well-being checks and the like.
I do not support a mans ability to wake up one day and say he now identifies as a woman, and walk into a woman's facility that very same day. It is incredible that people can't see the safe guarding issue that creates for women.

Op do you understand 'trans' is no longer just those with gender disphoria?

Do you understand currently in the UK a transexuals has access to female facilities.

Proposed Self ID changes to the GRA will not change things for transexuals, it will remove the gate keeping currently in place protecting them, and women from predators.
Explain how wanting this to remain as it currently is can be transphobic?

crabpatty It is really for you to show that because a male says he self-identifies as a women this makes him less of a risk than any other male. And the same level or risk as a female.

Because otherwise you are saying it is acceptable for women to be put at risk . Which in effect you have by talking about a 'small minority' of trans people people doing so (by which I assume you mean a small minority of trans women assault women). I have heard this argument before that because only a small minority of trans people assault women we should all self identifying women into female spaces. But all the women who have been assaulted by self-identified trans women who entered female only spaces, would have been safe from assault if those spaces had remained sex segregated (instead of changing to gender segregated). So really crabpatty, your argument is that these women who have been sexually assaulted are acceptable collateral damage to you. Would you be happy to tell one of those women to her face that you regard her sexual abuse as acceptable collateral damage for a wider good?

Only a minority of males would assault women too, but we accept that because a minority do we exclude all males from spaces where women are particularly vulnerable.

Interesting first thread from you OP.

what baring does it have on day to day life what gender someone else chooses to be?

I think if it had no bearing, 99% of the posters here would be delighted to never talk about trans people ever again. There are so many more useful and interesting things to talk about. Maybe the fact that we're spending so much energy of this topic indicates that it very much does matter what gender someone chooses to be (although note we are saying you can be whatever gender you wish but you shouldn't have access to female safe spaces)

If you are a Muslim woman living in a strict community, you might have your freedoms restricted if you suddenly can't use a loo anywhere public that is designated for only those with vaginas. Can't use a public loo? Can't work, can't venture out the house for more than a few hours, can't attend social events. Risk of bladder infections if you push it and go out longer than you should.

If you are a very vulnerable woman in prison who has been used and abused your whole life, people being free to choose their own gender might mean you are suddenly forced to shower with someone with a penis and at worst you are at risk of assault (women have already been assaulted by trans woman. It's happened. In female prisons)

If you are fleeing domestic abuse after years of serious sexual assaults, you might find yourself sharing a refuge with someone with a penis even when you're petrified of anyone male-bodied, if people can choose their own gender.

Come on op. It's fairly insulting you've put this post up when this has been addressed a hundred times over. The 'transphobic' women here are educated, often leftie mums by and large (not exclusively). Some are lesbians. Some have experienced abuse. Some have close trans friends. Doesn't that say anything to you with regards our concerns?

You don't speak for all females

Neither do you OP, but I'm not trying to remove your right to consent. You are supporting the removal of mine.

On an individual level, people can be who they want to be, it is up to them, but our concerns are in a larger scale. And our concerns are the people who will take advantage of the GRA, as that women are being shat at from a great height with the introduction of the GRA.

What UCWorries said.

Changing sex segregated spaces into gender segregated spaces affects natal women. I cannot believe anyone is seriously arguing otherwise.

I'll also agree that some posters border on the very extreme, but silencing more rational voices tends to do that. Most people are more level headed with their views.