To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

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The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

It’s just rallying women to be hateful against a small group of society

I hate Brussels sprouts. I find this time of year very difficult on 'Active Threads'. Even as I'm writing this post, Tesco are advertising the feckers on telly.
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Some of the most vocal trans ideology rejects the idea of sex based attraction OP, in favour of gender based attraction. It states that men who identify as women can be lesbians and that those who reject transwomen as sexual partners are bigoted.

You are tying yourself up in knots here OP and contradicting yourself, you say what bearing does it have on day to day life what gender someone else chooses to be? so first you say it is about choice but then you say they are born as the wrong sex, so gender is innate? Just so you know, your own comments could be considered transphobic. I think you should perhaps read what concerns people are raising on these boards because it may help you understand a little better.

**Is there a handy guide to how to differentiate the 'truly transgender' from those 'faking it for nefarious intent', then?

Must be a terrifying existence to believe everyone is out to get you.

The problem I have with the word ‘transphobia’ is that it’s applied to anyone not immediately capitulating to anyone under the now vast trans umbrella.

IMO a person diagnosed with gender dysphoria, who has suffered their whole life and is aware of biological facts but still needs to have extensive surgery to feel comfortable in their own body are rarely considered to be a threat to women. They are also relatively rare,

The problem is that, by Stonewalls own definition, the trans umbrella also includes the considerably larger group of men who cross dress for fun or, only occasionally or for sexual pleasure. These men also commit sexual/crimes etc. at exactly the same rate as other men.

When women are called transphobic for saying they don’t want the second set of men to gain access to their hospital wards, prisons, girl guide trips, changing rooms or toilets, taking women’s awards or positions meant to address the imbalance of women in powerful roles then I find it ridiculous.

I think this post has been derailed by OP's misuse of the term hate crime, but its the preoccupation with the 'invasion' of women's rights by trans folk that I find quite disturbing. There are so many more prevalent issues, but its noticeably an obsession for many Mumsnetters. I do agree that some of the examples posted by @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius need to be called out e.g that asking young girls about their periods is not appropriate BUT why do so many of you think that a trans male identifying as female is more likely to assault you or a female child. Women assault women, men assault women and they all seize a variety of opportunities to do this BUT when there is no evidence that this is anything other than a small majority why does this mean someone dealing with gender identity issues should be excluded from feeling safe and comfortable. Trans folk are more likely to be harmed than be harmful.

What is 'truly transgender' OP?

It’s just rallying women to be hateful against a small group of society

Two questions:

What is 'rallying women to be hateful'?

You use the word 'women' a lot in your posts. Please could you define that word for me?

Op you haven't got a clue, STG post is spot on, you just don't get it. Women standing up for their rights, and voicing their concerns about the GRA is a hate crime, riiight. An act that will allow predators to access women and girls spaces simply by indentifying as Female. It will only increase. There is no hate here, just concern.

@crabbypatty you’ve put it much more articulately than I could. That is exactly what I am trying to say.

*Is there a handy guide to how to differentiate the 'truly transgender' from those 'faking it for nefarious intent', then?

Must be a terrifying existence to believe everyone is out to get you*

I don't believe everyone is out to get me. I don't know what lead you to surmise that.

But could you answer the question of how the 'truly transgender' (your term) are identifiable from the fakers?

Why oh why is MUMSNET full of women concerned about the welfare of women and children?? Dunno. Mystery.

I used the term women because there seems to be this obsession that the people posting are real women and trans women are not real women.

It is irrelevant whether or not only a small minority of predatory men will use self identification to their advantage. Even one incident is one too many and should have been prevented.

I don't think it will be a small minority either. Let's think about this now; if you're a man who enjoys assaulting, raping, intimidating or harassing women then why wouldn't the introduction of self ID feel like all your Christmasses had come at once? If all it takes to change your gender is by simply filling out a form then why wouldn't a predatory man jump at the chance?

You only have to look at places like the US and Canada who already have self ID in order to see the shitstorm it is causing. I find it amazing that people claim it will never happen when it already is bloody happening.

Transwomen are not the issue here and nobody thinks they are all just pervs waiting to attack women. The issue is predatory men and self identification. People do understand what self identification Is, right?

What is a trans male identifying as a female CrabbyPatty? It’s quite a transphobic statement.

Honestly OP, you're about the 5 millionth person to notice it, but all you'll get is a barrage of "it's not transphobic to do all these non-transphobic things" (ignoring all the things it IS transphobic to do), and "I have NEVER seen any transphobia here EVER" (except all the stuff that gets deleted and all the stuff that isn't overt enough to warrant a deletion in isolation but the cumulative effect of which is a hostile and hateful environment).

Unless you're up for a major barney in which you'll get called a misogynist, an enemy of the people women, in need of an "education" (FWR style) and possibly far worse, I'd say join the rest of us who feel this way and hide the feminism boards. There are plenty more who have simply left mumsnet, but so far I've found hiding those boards is going far enough.

99.999% of people you'll talk to about this on here aren't interested in an exchange of views, they're only interested in "correcting" you, and if they can't do that they'll attempt to discredit you. But if like me you like standing up for your beliefs on these sorts of issues, crack on! If you simply CBA, hide the boards.

CrabbyPatty thankfully for trans people youre wrong on that last point, in fact transpeople in the UK are more likely to murder than be murdered.

You talk about transpeople feeling safe and comfortable which I agree, should happen.

But NOT at the expense of women. If transwomen wish to use gendered facilities, they need to campaign for gendered facilities.

Not force or shame women and our daughters to share spaces with people with a penis.

women only thought you did it because you wanted to destroy all of their rights

I don't think that's why most people do it, but if the consequence is that I can no longer request someone without a penis to do my smear test without being called a bigot then it does remove my rights.

But trans women are not real women. A lot of transwomen would agree with that too, including quite a few who post here.

In fact, to quote one of those transwomen; transwomen are not women, they are trans women and there is nothing wrong with that.

I used the term women because there seems to be this obsession that the people posting are real women and trans women are not real women

I'll ask again: please could you define the word 'women'?

Trans folk are more likely to be harmed than be harmful.

Did you know that in the UK, a trans woman is more likely to be a murderer than get murdered?

We've reached a time where things are thrown about willy nilly as if they're true. Never mind what the actual data says

BUT why do so many of you think that a trans male identifying as female is more likely to assault you

Because that is what the (admittedly limited) research shows. Transwomen retain male patterns of offending even after transition.

It isn't transphobic to want to discuss massive potential changes to social norms which mean that woman and girls may end up sharing space when vulnerable with people with penises aka men. It's not just about fear of attack. It's about sex based rights nor being stamped over by somebody's self declared feelings.

I have seen no transphobic. Anything off colour is removed quickly. The only reason there is so much discussion is because there are new developments almost daily and it is a current political hot potato.