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To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

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Whyisthisacceptable · 15/11/2018 18:55

The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

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RatRolyPoly · 15/11/2018 19:50

redoceanwave I think you'll find the definition of the word woman may well be changing all by itself, with many people happy to use it to describe trans women. That's sort of how words change, you know? Then the dictionary catches up.

If you want to know what I think the definition is changing to, I mean seriously, just Google it. I've given my definition of woman to so many incredulous posters on here over the years who think it's totally impossible that anyone could possible define a word that may describe more than one thing is frankly getting tedious. Do you think that bloke who wrote the dictionary all those years ago was the only one who could do it?? He wasn't some magic genius you know, it really isn't that hard. And honestly I'm just annoyed these days that anyone would think it was beyond the skills of us intelligent women round here.

Unicyclethief · 15/11/2018 19:50

If your feminism includes males how is it feminism lookingatthings?

Hyppolyta · 15/11/2018 19:51

My local donkey sanctuary does fuck all to help chickens.

Funny how no ones called them out for being exclusionary and bigoted...

TrashyTerf · 15/11/2018 19:51

@Whyisthisacceptable

Can you please link to the specific threads that are transphobic? I will help you report them and get them deleted.

ShirazShirley86 · 15/11/2018 19:51

Sorry, that should have said ‘People arguing that trans people should gain unlimited access to all female spaces just on their own say so’.

ohreallyohreallyoh · 15/11/2018 19:52

Must be a terrifying existence to believe everyone is out to get you

Can you not understand that fear is a very real feature of many women’s lives?

SheCameFromGreeceSheHadaThirst · 15/11/2018 19:52

The word "woman" to a lot of us refers to women treated socially as such

'Treated socially as such' - what does that mean?

wrexhamtrans · 15/11/2018 19:53

Absolutely spot on ShirazShirley

I'm a post hormonal intervention transsexual with multiple diagnoses of gender dysphoria. There are still those of us who have known since age 5 they were in the wrong body....

I don't want to be included in the same umbrella as a sexually motivated cross dresser. By all means cross dress if you want but it's a very very different situation.

SheCameFromGreeceSheHadaThirst · 15/11/2018 19:53

Can you please link to the specific threads that are transphobic?

No, they can't. They legged it when their sweeping generalisations were questioned 

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 15/11/2018 19:54

So it’s the fear that a man could pretend to be trans in order to attack women or girls? Which must be such a small minority of people. But you understand it's possible? In which case, how many additional incidents of rape and harassment - let's leave aside simple discomfort or embarrassment among women and girls - do you consider a reasonable price to pay to validate the feelings of transwomen? What level of collateral damage would you regard as unacceptable?

And also not truly transgender if their sole motivation is to use it as a cover. You realise that suggesting someone who says they're transgender may not be truly so is in itself transphobic?

RatRolyPoly · 15/11/2018 19:54

What is a woman?

Oh FFS, fine, I'll Google myself and tell you what I've written OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Woman:

1/ Adult human female

2/ Adult human who meaningfully identifies as female

WHOAH MAMA, WHAT MAGIC DID I JUST DO THERE??

You might not agree with me, I'm not asking you too, just seriously "define the word woman!" is not a killer demand. Its not that it's impossible to answer, you're just not going to get an answer you agree with.

SheCameFromGreeceSheHadaThirst · 15/11/2018 19:56

I think you'll find the definition of the word woman may well be changing all by itself, with many people happy to use it to describe trans women. That's sort of how words change, you know?

No, words don't just change all by themselves 

Words change as the social constructs attached to them alter and develop. A word doesn't simply 'change all by itself'.

titchy · 15/11/2018 19:57

And also not truly transgender if their sole motivation is to use it as a cover

Lol - get with the programme OP - Stonewall welcomes the above into their trans-community and campaigns for their access to women's spaces. It's not about genuine gender dysphoria these days you know!

OldCrone · 15/11/2018 19:57

Adult human who meaningfully identifies as female
What do you mean by 'meaningfully'?

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 15/11/2018 19:57

Can you please link to the specific threads that are transphobic? I will help you report them and get them deleted
Hmmm, yes I was thinking this too. So I checked where I’d posted this evening (whilst cooking the dinner). All were in ‘Active’. Tried to help with (as is my usual) a couple of Dog House threads. A threatened Bailiff visit thread (worrying for the OP). A couple of Elton John Lewis threads (not loving it tbh, sigh). And, finally, an ‘Inspirational Women’ thread. So, which one is anti-trans? We didn’t discuss the dogs’ gender (or sex), so I’m guessing, listing Inspirational Women is in some way a hate crime now......

StopTheHistrionics · 15/11/2018 19:58

Gosh, how awful for you OP. Please report these crimes to the Police. 101 I think the MNetters say.

SonEtLumiere · 15/11/2018 19:58

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AssassinatedBeauty · 15/11/2018 19:58

It's a crap definition that for starters requires further explanation, because who the hell knows what "meaningfully identifies" means. Also there is no overlap between the first group and the second group - what things do all members of both groups have in common that puts them in the same category?

But, it is an attempt at a definition, to be fair. Marginally better than just shouting "transwomen are women" at everyone, although it's exactly as meaningless as that.

OldCrone · 15/11/2018 19:59

It's not about genuine gender dysphoria these days you know!

And some of the more vocal transactivists dismiss those with gender dysphoria who have physically transitioned as 'truscum'.

It's all about the cross dressers and lady dicks these days.

SheCameFromGreeceSheHadaThirst · 15/11/2018 19:59

Adult human who meaningfully identifies as female

What does 'meaningfully identifies as female' mean? Can someone 'unmeaningfully' identify as female? If so, what is the inherently 'meaningful' aspect of female identification?

FekkoThePenguin · 15/11/2018 19:59

Discussion is a hate crime now is it? So what does that make the shit I see on Twitter with all the death threats to women and men brandishing knives, and all? 🙄

EverardDigby · 15/11/2018 20:00

1/ Adult human female

2/ Adult human who meaningfully identifies as female

What do these two groups of people have in common to make it sensible and useful to consider them as one group?

RatRolyPoly · 15/11/2018 20:00

No, words don't just change all by themselves

Words change as the social constructs attached to them alter and develop. A word doesn't simply 'change all by itself'.

That's exactly what you're witnessing on this thread! People are telling you outright that their perception of the social construct of womanhood has changed, and that to them it includes trans women. That's that social construct changing before your very eyes!

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 15/11/2018 20:02

Yeah that John Lewis advert, I can't work out if the other actors playing him look that close in real life, or if bits of Elton's face have been digitally added to theirs, it's a bit hit and miss.

wrexhamtrans · 15/11/2018 20:02

"And some of the more vocal transactivists dismiss those with gender dysphoria who have physically transitioned as 'truscum'.

It's all about the cross dressers and lady dicks these days."

I've been called truscum before. I've been abused by other trans people for not accepting the wider definition.

I actually agree .... it is all focused around fetishism and those with gender dysphoria are being ignored.