To ask if anyone in the country is actually happy with the EU withdrawal agreement?

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Is anyone pleased with it?

Has anyone seen it?

Yes - and Barnier has just summarised the key points.

I’ve just found it! 585 pages though, give me a sec

Will need to wait for the dust to settle until most people can give an informed opinion. Apart from rampant remainers and leavers of course.

As a reluctant remainder I think it sounds OK. I was always happy with the common market aspect and Erasmus, euratom European health card. I disliked CAP common fisheries and free movement so this sounds potentially good. I'm not sure we've got rid of ECJ but hope so. I was never pro total brexit with trade deals with dodgy China and chlorinated chicken and genetically engineered wheat auSA so am hopeful

Remainer. Autocorrect hates that word!

On reflection, if it has the possibility of ending in Remaining, I like it!

I've read summaries of this deal and as far as I can see it just kicks the can down the road. "Best endeavours" to sign a fishing agreement in future. "Best endeavours" to sign a trade deal in the next 2 years and until then we stay in the customs union together with NI so no hard border and none of the apocalyptic stuff regarding travel or food or medicines. Seems like a fudge, extending time to negotiate for another 2 years, but it will still see the gradual dwindling of investment, funding and opportunities because uncertainty is bad for business.

For me, if every politician really bought into the whole stupid "this advisory referendum is in fact binding and we can never change our minds" garbage and we really truly couldn't remain (best case scenario), then I wanted Brexit in name only. Basically we "leave", but in order to save our economy we continue to follow all EU rules so that we can have the illusion of "taking back control". In reality under that scenario we lose all control or input into making the rules we will have to follow and become rule takers. Much worse for us than remaining, but better than a complete no-deal.

It's better than no deal.

The short answer is NO, but unfortunately this is expected when a remainer has taken the reigns in brokering a deal for what majority of the British population wants.

I think she is hoping that this whole thing falls through but what are we mere mortals to do when we have a woman who made a joke out of our immigration system running the country.

We lost the negotiations and this is the surrender document. It is OK given that.

The whole ‘advisory’ referendum makes me laugh though. If you ask the people, you cannot then ignore them or have another referendum virtually immediately. In 5-10 years time, though, perfectly reasonable to ask again. A fudge allows this to happen.

I’m an ardent Remainer and I like it.

I’m not sure it will get through Parliament though.

Agree with larrygrylls

It’s a fudge deal just to bide a reasonable amount of time until another referendum.

Remainers should be happy.

Remainer. Unhappy with a crock of shit but it is better than no deal. Pretty much anything is better than no deal. This is on Leave voters.

Thing is, Davies and Johnson had two years to get the brilliant deal that they conned everyone about. They weren't outsiders. This is what you get when teddies are thrown out of the pram.
But as it probably won't get through those intellectual titans in Parliament , it's a moot point.
Or a moo point for those that like comedy cultural references.

Remainers should be happy

Why would Remainer a be happy?

This is a much worse deal than we have now just for the benefit of having the illusion of leaving.

Well theres two possibilities arent there?

1. Accept it as the best we can get in a bad situation (of our own making) or;
2. Chuck the cards in the air (vote of no confidence, general election, "peoples vote", Scotttish independance referendum-- delete according to political affiliation) and see where they land.

Neither fill me full of optomism to be honest.
I have the terrible feeling that this is not an occassion where the grown ups are going to sort things out.

I’d only be happy if it did lead to No Brexit.

You must be furious surfer because your beloved TM has sold you out.

It hasn’t worked out too well for those who put their unswerving faith in her to negotiate the best deal has it?

I thought No Deal would be the thing to make everyone angry. Turns out Shit Deal does it as well. If only there was a third option ......

Haha

I think much depends on how this deal is spun.

TM has massively lowered expectations now with:-

‘This is the best deal we can negotiated’

‘It’s this deal, no deal or no Brexit’

If people wake up to the fact this deal makes us worse off in every respect and no deal makes us much worse off then there’s only 1 sensible option.

There is so much fudge I feel sick. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets through parliament, despite the shouting within the Tory party, they love power to much to risk another general election.

As others have said, this deal is far preferable to no-deal. Would make much more sense to remain and I’m still holding out hope that we can.