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To ask if anyone in the country is actually happy with the EU withdrawal agreement?

181 replies

Bearbehind · 14/11/2018 21:04

Is anyone pleased with it?

OP posts:
bellabasset · 15/11/2018 09:15

Raab has resigned. I can't see it will get through Parliament.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 15/11/2018 09:17

Bit of a shocker but entirely expected this from day 1.

Options on the table:
No deal/crash out. We'd still owe the £39bn and would have to pay up the secure any sort of trade deal. 60% tariffs on food imports etc. Massive impact on security, travel, exchange rate stability, and NI situation would start to deteriorate very quickly. Very rich would get richer, the rest of us would find life immeasurably more expensive and the poor would literally starve. It's not like the stories are looking after them right now.

Stay - rescind Article 50. Continue within trading block on current beneficial terms which already include U.K. only bespoke terms courtesy of Margaret Thatcher. Continue to work with like minded nations to change from within. UK population doesn't seem to realise just how much of a huge influence the UK has within the EU. Yes it's a long way from perfect but it would be a different beast entirely without British influence. There'd be some short term reputational damage but It would blow over.

Brexit - not got around to the 584 pages so don't know if the right to withdraw Article 50 goes away. No way on earth would UK get the same rebate terms out of EU as it did 20yrs ago if it basically had to reapply.
In short as per "Stay" while this circus carries on for two more years ending in an inevitable referendum.

Topseyt · 15/11/2018 09:22

I would have thought that Raab would have had a part in crafting this deal. Now we learn that he has resigned because he cannot support it. So what exactly has he been doing up to now?

I'm a remainer. I suppose this deal is better than nothing, but I would prefer Brexit never to happen.

Lwmommy · 15/11/2018 09:22

I would rather this deal than no deal but i am extremely angry that:

A) such a n important decision was put to a referendum and entrusted to 'the people' without actually arming the people with accurate and thorough information on what we were voting for
B) 'The people' made in my opinion the wrong choice in voting Leave
C) Billions of £ have been spent getting to this point and we are going to be stuck in this 'not really left the Eu and actually a bit worse off all round ' position. What a waste of money that could have been spent improving the lives of people.in the UK.
D) we are less than 6 months from the leave date, individuals, businesses and the Govt need to.know where we stand so that decisions can be made to.secure our lifestyles and we're still piffeling around in a will we, wont we position.

Its bloody infuriating.

dontalltalkatonce · 15/11/2018 09:30

Sitting in NI, I would interpret this view as "I don't give a fuck about you".

You're assuming Brexiteers ever gave a fuck about anything but their own backyards. Wink

cbdquestion · 15/11/2018 09:37

It's absolutely rubbish.

Pickupthephone · 15/11/2018 09:39

Pretty much anything is better than no deal.

Pickupthephone · 15/11/2018 09:42

As a leaver no I'm not happy with it.
May needs to resign she doesn't have a clue how to negotiate a good deal and as a remainer should never of been the one to see this deal through.

Out of interest, what do you think a good deal would have looked like? And how do you think Mrs May should have gone about negotiations? How would you have approached them and got a better outcome?

Bombardier25966 · 15/11/2018 09:44

I would have thought that Raab would have had a part in crafting this deal. Now we learn that he has resigned because he cannot support it. So what exactly has he been doing up to now?

Almost as soon as he was appointed May said she was taking over negotiations herself.

Raab has done sod all, except for a few car crash interviews.

JudasPrudy · 15/11/2018 09:45

This is just dragging out the problem for another 2 years surely? All of this uncertainty is really bad.

WhatYouGonnaDoKatie · 15/11/2018 09:57

lwmommy - I couldn’t agree more.
Let’s pay lots of money and end up worse off, whilst austerity has decimated our public services (cos we have no money) Hmm

bellabasset · 15/11/2018 10:08

Now Esther McVey has gone. Agree with lwmommy as neither sides are likely to be happy.

Currently they are saying there is likely to be a leadership election. God help us if there is an election and JC becomes PM.

musthavejumpers · 15/11/2018 10:13

Christ bella that doesn't bear thinking about...

MakeAHouseAHome · 15/11/2018 10:19

I would rather have no deal!

Parker231 · 15/11/2018 10:20

It’s a disaster- can’t see It being approved. We will have to abide by EU rules and legislation, pay up but have no seat around the table. DH and I aren’t British (Belgian and Canadian) so had no vote but have decided now is the time to leave the UK. Might hold on until DT’s have finished Uni here but neither of them plan on working in the UK.

amicissimma · 15/11/2018 10:26

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bellinisurge · 15/11/2018 10:36

If we have no tariffs on stuff coming in, we have no control on tariffs for our stuff going out.

Qasd · 15/11/2018 10:41

Pleased? I mean I would much rather remain, but I guess if we have to leave then I would much rather this than no deal..and I do believe this the best deal we are ever going to get..unless there is a scrapping brexit completely becomes an option then with a heavy heart yes I do support it!

BarbarianMum · 15/11/2018 10:44

What Qsad says really. It's better than nothing which is the other deal on the table.

BarbarianMum · 15/11/2018 10:45

Qasd sorry

sashh · 15/11/2018 10:53

Had a conversation with my dad this week, he's a leaver, I'm a remainer. He was talking about the number of eports, I pointed out it's not just numbers, it the things we import. There are no pacemakers produced in the UK, they are made in the USA, EU or Isreal.

For most people that's not a problem, for anyone needing one it could be.

CitrusFruit9 · 15/11/2018 11:23

TBH I cannot see this is a viable deal. What it does show is the very poor quality of our negotiators.

whatashower · 15/11/2018 12:36

Unravelling our membership is so hideously complex and thousands of civil servants and business people are grappling with the practicalities and legalities, no doubt muddied by the politics ☹️. So I hate the media soundbites, and have absolutely no idea whether there could ever have been a better deal given the adversarial nature of withdrawal and the mighty EU. The fact that hard Brexiteers are so appalled made me laugh a bit though - how could they have done better, realistically? The stand out issue for me, as a soft remainer under no illusion on the need for radical reform of the EU, is the seemingly brutal approach of the Commission. What message does that send to the other member states? They can be under no illusion that membership is optional. But we are all too busy infighting over the unachievable to unite against punitive measures, take the moral high ground and gain some popular support amongst all the electorates who keep all these MPs in the European Parliament as well as in the UK. Its not just the UK which is in the spotlight here but the Commission are doing a great job at deflecting.

BarbarianMum · 15/11/2018 12:55

Our lack of quality negotiators was raised at the beginning of the leave process. To be fair to these negotiators though, their jobs would have been somewhat easier if the UK (or at least the government) had a clear idea of what "leaving the uk" looked like prior to triggering article 50.

Bluntness100 · 15/11/2018 13:03

I'm genuinely surprised by the confusion that still exists, I mean do people really think Teresa May negotiated this? No there were teams in place on both sides who negotiated it, she is simply the face of it and the first sign off. Irrelevant of who the pm is, or even which party is in power the nuts and bolts negotiators will stay the same.

Ultimately there has to be give and take on both sides of a negotiation, and a compromise reached, we were never going to get a good deal with everything we wanted, so it's ludicrous all these politicians wanting to have it amended, if there was more to be gained, it would have been gained.

Too many folks trying to use it for political nest feathering, eying up taking power and gaining for themselves.

Bottom line is we idiotically voted for this ridiculous situation and I personally believe Teresa May when she says, this was the best the team could get, and it's either this or no deal. And no deal would be absolutely disastrous for us.

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