Brexit -have you changed your mind??

[Leapfrog44]

I know Brexit has been done to death and I'm not asking for anyone's justification for wanting out or in.

I'm just really curious to know if any of the folks who voted leave have changed their minds (as is sometimes reported by the Guardian).

Those who say they are fed up how long it’s taking. As others have said this is just rhe beginning. Will take years to sort things out. 40 odd years of ties to be undone. Whole thing utterly ridiculous. The economy will take a terrible hit, makes me worry for those on low income. Can see the welfare state shrinking further as we could be forced to move to a low tax economy. And I like having European citizenship as well as British. I am a die hard remainer.

The referendum made me change my mind about what this country stands for and the character of its people. I thought we were relatively well-informed and decent.

The out vote has persuaded me that we're actually largely ignorant, and prejudiced. And stupid.

I am very bitter about this country being trashed just so some people get ten minutes of feeling powerful, before the arch capitalists start selling off what's left of the state.

I was 54 at the time of the Referendum so no spring chicken myself and all of my friends are in the 45+ age group. Like I said, I literally only know 4 people who voted Leave. I find it difficult to forgive.

A really interesting book I have been reading is "How To Lose A Referendum - The Definitive Story Of Why The UK Voted For Brexit" by Jason Farrell and Paul Goldsmith . If anyone wants to understand why people voted to leave the EU, this is the book to read.

What I wanted wasn't on the ballot paper, so it was a choice between a rock and a hard place. I want to be part of a reformed EU. That is not on the table and I realise now, more than before, that it never will be. So, despite my concerns about an economic mess and because of my concerns about the direction the EU is heading in, I have reluctantly concluded that I would probably switch to Leave.

I am glad that some people have read my reasons, and whilst not agreeing, might possibly challenge their perception of Leave voters .... I 100% agree that some leave voters voted for narrow minded reasons - but I also know remain voters who said they didn’t really understand / couldn’t be bothered to look into it so they voted to keep the status quo. So that’s hardly a good thing either. I think many people are scared to admit I voting Leave because of all the negativity.....

The vitriol towards Leave is not ok ..... my mum even said ( remainer) “ if people are too stupid to vote the right way they shouldn’t be allowed to vote”...... she is highly educated and 73 and I had to remind her of what type of countries tell / have told there population how to vote - Russia and Zimbabwe spring to mind ! Even if you don’t agree with people I believe you have no right to tell someone the way they voted was wrong ...., it is s democratic right afforded to you like any other.

And for the record; since I’ve stated my reasons I am in my 40s with 2 teenage children, life long staunch labour voter with a politics degree, and I’m a business owner. Not all leave voters are Farage loving, Daily Mail reading, xenophobes.....

Oh and my point in Malta / I think is important ..... it is known to be the capital
for money laundering and the highest levels of organised crime gangs in the whole of Europe .... it is very difficult to create similar legislation for Germany and a country such as this .....

I am mid 50’s and educated to masters degree level, I have a senior Job in a prestigious organisation. I voted leave and I would so again. My friends and family are pretty evenly split down the middle and my DS aged 26, who has a job that takes him all around the world, also voted leave.

My main reason is that I feel the UK should be freed from EU bureaucracy and regulation.

David Goodhart has written an interesting book attributing leave voters as being more deeply rooted in the community than remain, who are able to live anywhere. It is complex. Already two posters have labelled leave voters as stupid and idiots. This is not helpful.

Haven’t changed my mind no.
I would still vote leave.

Voted remain. Would vote leave.

Not because I regret voting remain and I wish the result had been remain but because I don’t agree with there being a second vote.

It would be a vote FOR the last democratic vote.

I read a lot about Brexit every day and work in an effected industry and am part of contingency plans and I’m not particularly ill informed but I just don’t get what is different about this so called “people’s vote” than the last one? - fake news aside, because that’s not going anywhere.
I don’t always agree with general election results but I want to see the winning party in government, I wouldn’t want to see a general election re-run just because I didn’t like the result.

Affected industry rather

Voted remain and would do so again in a heartbeat. I'm absolutely appalled by everything to do with Brexit.

A general election commits the country to a maximum five years before we can change the outcome. Relying on the referendum vote without giving people the chance to vote again once we know what the terms are is surely better than committing to something that, by admission even by its own supporters, is going to take up to 50 years for us to see any benefits?

GE and the referendum vote (which was only advisory) are not at all comparable.

If you voted Leave on this thread, how do you feel about families with one parent from an EU country but residing in Britain being potentially separated by Brexit.

The Home Office is now insisting of evidence of 5 years comprehensive private insurance coverage paid (historically) for otherwise not eligible to apply for citizenship. This was not a rule before Brexit and no one knew they had to do it as they were covered under reciprocal health care.

There are now lots of cases of EU citizens who worked as low paid teaching assistants, stay at home mums or PHD students who don’t qualify to remain but have a U.K. spouse and children.

So while families must relocate to the EU spouses home country and hope the authorities there are willing to give the U.K. spouse citizenship. That’s if the U.K. spouse can find a job.

What a fucking cruel and pointless, xenophobic mess.

Cookit

It's different because there was no manifesto and people really didn't know what they were voting for (on both sides). It was a shot in the dark.

People cannot vote to reverse the democractic decision in 4/5 years time.

I voted leave, and would vote leave again.

Completely agree oracleofdelphi and yes, eleanortopaz, the name calling is not helpful at all.

I voted leave but think I would be more likely to vote remain if there was a second referendum. The reason is firstly I have lost confidence in our politicians to secure a satisfactory deal or any kind of deal. Secondly, I have recently been reading a few books that have helped me change my mind. Our politicians and our media have over many decades painted such a negative picture of the EU and that has always been them and us. Everything has been about what we can get out of the EU or not get out of the EU rather than thinking what can we all do to work together for the benefit of Europe as a whole. Most of our problems have been down to the inadequacies of our own Governments over the years. The EU has been about peace and security and standards and improving the lives of Europeans. Many of the laws that the EU has introduced has been to ensure standards and quality and safety in goods and services that we buy, to protect us, and to maintain fairness in trading within the EU and to improve employment and other rights of everyone. It is not perfect but I think I would rather throw my lot in with Makron and Merkel than Donald Trump. Our Government in the 1950s had the chance to allow the UK to join the EU when it was initially formed but chose not to so by the time we did finally join, it had been shaped already without our influence. Our Governments since have always been battling with the EU rather than embracing our membership and this negativity has fed into the media and in turn into the nation's psyche. If we have a second referendum and remain wins, I hope this time round we embrace it as Europeans and look at the people of Europe as our friends all working together for the well-being of everyone in Europe, and not just us.

Voted remain and would do again. The entire thing is going to be an expensive scandal, much more so than staying part of the EU. We are heading for disaster, even the PM don't know what she is doing

I find it very interesting how a lot of the posts from remainers are calling leavers 'stupid' 'idiots' 'uneducated' 'ignorant' 'shouldn't be allowed a vote' .........I have yet to see one post from a leaver attacking a remainer....... Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

It could be because the leavers know remainers are right and there is no need.

But if you could post links to you assertions about leavers, that would be great for futher comments thanks.

I voted remain and was horrified to learn the result. In my work I got to understand more the benefits of an integrated Europe . The remaining campaign was arrogant and focused on fear not fact. I would absolutely vote remain again.

Why assume that assertions should be made about one's choice of vote?