Brexit -have you changed your mind??

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I know Brexit has been done to death and I'm not asking for anyone's justification for wanting out or in.

I'm just really curious to know if any of the folks who voted leave have changed their minds (as is sometimes reported by the Guardian).

Voted leave would vote remain

It’s only the real ‘stick your head up your arse and pray’ brigade who are too bloody pig ignorant to admit that they were wrong to vote leave

I just noticed upthread the same old points about EUmembership cost were being used to justify a continued belief in Leave.

It is really important to remember that the EU membership fee was less than 0.7% of GDP. In return for that we got unrestricted access to a huge trillion dollar annual market.

I voted remain and couldn’t imagine ever imagine swaying from that decision. I was quite pro ‘leave’ years ago but that’s many moons ago and for very superficial reasons (mine, no judgement on others’ reasons for leaving). I’m incredibly down about leaving and don’t feel at all optimistic about it. I loathe the anti-European ‘us vs them’ mentality of most leavers. It’s dreadful and such a sad reflection of how narrow-minded a society we are.

As for Merkel’s idea of a European army, to me this is all about autonomy and having a choice not to join America’s various shit shows in the Middle East. American economy thrives and survives on perpetual conflict. Europe won’t have to send troops into these conflicts if it has its own autonomous army. Smart move.

“It’s only the real ‘stick your head up your arse and pray’ brigade who are too bloody pig ignorant to admit that they were wrong to vote leave”

No- it’s really not, and dismissing all leavers in that way doesn’t help the debate at all. As a Cambridge educated lawyer, working in the City and part of the “metropolitan elite”, am not ashamed to say I voted leave and would do so again. I don’t believe in the big picture EU project, think it will collapse and fail in the long term, and would rather get out now than later down the line when we are even more deeply committed and the mess of extraction is even greater.

Still feel we should remain

But accept we are leaving and I don’t think we should have another referendum and should never have had the one in 2016

Fab post Arthur.

Thanks Talksto

No. Still remain

@EleanorTopaz: My main reason is that I feel the UK should be freed from EU bureaucracy and regulation.

This is one of the strangest reasons I have read. Presumably you mean more than bananas? SO, you would rather we were able to set our own regulations rather than conform to the safest, most well researched international standards?
Here's a couple of regulations we may be freed from:

• Currently illegal to make an employee work for an average of more than 48 hours a week, so after Brexit hard workers will be free from irksome commitments of family of leisure time.
• Restriction on sales of energy inefficient kettles and vacuum cleaners, so after Brexit we will be free to contribute to climate change.

This www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-social-policy/article/tolerable-cost-of-european-union-regulation-leaving-the-eu-and-the-market-for-politically-convenient-facts/0043EFBF94F1E1961355604D0CB7D92C/core-reader is an interesting Report from Cambridge Core: The Tolerable Cost of European Union Regulation: Leaving the EU and the Market for Politically Convenient Facts
"Open Europe’s analysis of the most costly EU-derived regulations. We found that many of the estimates relied heavily on assumptions based on either weak or inconsistent data. In some cases, there was no reference to any data.

We found that businesses were often unable to provide even the most basic information to back up their estimates. Or their estimates were produced using opaque and questionable methods. This highlights the importance of government officials verifying business data. But we found little evidence of this happening.

Almost all the regulations we looked at provided at least some benefits to business. Yet, for the most part, these were neither reported nor costed."

Thanks Twillow for your informative post.

I voted out. And would do again. Likewise, had the vote been to remain, with the exact vote devision, I would have accepted it and got on with the rest of my life. The only thing I thought was wrong about the whole thing was the blatant lies from the leavers, and the hyperboled hysterics from the remainers. By this, I mean the figureheads representing politics, not the voters themselves. Though I'm sick to death of voting decisions being called into question. The whole thing got so ridiculous and I am sick to death of hearing about it. The shady tactics from the EU in the intervening months has only cemented my voting choice.

Voted leave. Would still do so.

But I’m as thick as shite with a first class degree in a relevant subject, having studied and worked in the EU. So I must therefore be xenophobic.

Loved the original idea of the EEC and have detested the EU.

Freed from bureaucracy is bullshit imo. How much 'bureaucracy' is Brexit going to create (and cost) plus we'll still have to be closely involved in Europe. And what about travelling or trying to work or study in Europe. Just brings to mind the Daily Mail wonky carrots -or whatever they were on about- type hysteria.

Needless to say I voted remain and would do so again. I have met people who voted leave but now wished it was remain idiots but no remainers who have changed their view

Timeline

1975 : IN
2016 : OUT
2028 : IN
2041 : OUT
2057 : Shake It All About

You do the hokey cokey and you turn around. That's what it's all about.

Yay......just about sums it up.

Freedom from bureaucracy is a ridiculous reason to vote leave.

We have plenty of bureaucracy of our own. We never needed the EU for that.

Cookit, your post defies logic. If you want to remain then vote remain. No point in a silly protest vote. Nobody would know what you were protesting against, for starters.

I didn't know what to think before and I still don't know what to think!

Remain then. Remain now. I really resent people voting to remove my rights, especially when I see the ridiculous reasons they give.

Yes. Voted remain. Cant wait to leave now. Eu is a nasty toxic so called friend. If you talk to alot of people on the street lots have changed their vote to leave too.

Iam. Love it!

shady tactics from the EU?

I'm sorry but I can't let that go.

The EU explained the agreed position openly from the very outset. By contrast the whole U.K. process has been so shrouded in secrecy that the PM has kept things to a very close circle even excluding her own cabinet. Just a few examples...In the U.K. the government has taken the following shady steps:

• They tried to hide the impact assessments ( David Davis denied they existed, then conceded they did. Then when forced they were made available in s secret room with MPs phones confiscated.) The EU ones were available publicly on the website.

• Our govt also spent millions on a court case trying to avoid open debate and a vote to trigger Article 50 in Parliament.

• Then the govt brought in unprecedented since Henry VIII powers to enable individual ministers to privately legislate without normal open parliamentary process.

• In private TM clearly said To Goldman Sachs "The economic arguments are clear,” Companies would leave the UK if the UK left the EU. In public, however she kept her views about the economic consequences of Brexit quiet, so that the Conservative right would accept her as leader if Cameron lost.

The whole process has been shrouded in secrecy so that we don't fully realise how difficult and expensive the U.K. will become to live. By contrast the EU have communicated openly with all 27 member states and the people living there .

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/595374/IPOLSTU(2017)5953744_EN.pdf

Nope why would I change my mind?

Voted remain, would still vote remain. Worried about what’s going to happen after the result came in and have been worried ever since.

More remainers have switched to leave it would seem, & I think that’s partly because of the appalling attitude of some hardcore remainers.
You’re really not going to get people on your side by calling them thick idiots.