Brexit -have you changed your mind??

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I know Brexit has been done to death and I'm not asking for anyone's justification for wanting out or in.

I'm just really curious to know if any of the folks who voted leave have changed their minds (as is sometimes reported by the Guardian).

I campaigned to Leave outside my local tube station. I’m a slight, middle-aged woman yet had to endure endless vitriol from white, Remain voting, young males. I was called a bitch, cunt, even an Aryan pussy (I guess because I am blonde, sort of?) while male Brexiteers were similarly screamed at and one was physically abused.

It was so bad I would never campaign for anything in public again. I’m sorry for this as we need women in public life but this will never happen when so-called liberals refuse to accept people will different views and think it acceptable to mock, abuse and assault them.

The pivotal moment for me that symbolised why I voted to Leave was the appalling self-regarding conflagration on the Thames, led by arch Remoaner Bob Geldof and his well-off, liberal chums taking the piss out of fishermen from the comfort of his fancy boat. The very same fishermen who struggle to earn any kind of living at all as the EU decrees they can only keep a small amount of fish in UK waters (only 8% of cod for example).

EU legislation actually forces the discarding of fish through quotas. Quotas are an economic and environmental disaster. Vessels have to catch more fish to find what they are allowed to keep; disastrously this system is crippling the industry, fish populations and marine ecosystems. MEP’s have been agitating to change this for years but still nothing happens.

I am really shocked that Remainers think this sort of appalling waste is acceptable. No wonder 92% of fishermen voted to Leave – yet Euro fanatics will berate them, along with the rest of the Leavers, as racist, Neantherthal, uneducated thickos.

Before the Referendum, hardly anyone had a good word to say about the EU but now on liberal forums, it has somehow morphed into a sanctified (if unaudited) organisation that can do no wrong, the saviour of the Western world with its own laws, its own army and its own money. Anyone who disagrees with the EU federal project is harassed on social media, laughed and mocked.

Leave won by 1.4 million votes – the largest margin to win any election, ever. The silent majority voted to Leave but you won’t hear from them very often as unsurprisingly, they need nerves of steel to put their heads over the parapet.

eu.oceana.org/en/press-center/press-releases/millions-tons-fish-are-thrown-away-sea-each-year-around-world

I reckon there'll be a second referendum which will go like this

1. this deal
2. no deal
3. remain

sadsibling excellent post and I applaud you and your honesty. Pretty much my views on leaving too but I didn’t campaign as was too afraid.

That’s how it all happened. People wouldn’t admit in public they wanted our.

I mean to say we will have to vote for one of these 3 options, obviously, and then a second favourite

@Sadsiblingatsea excellent post, and I bet there are many who agree with you.

Sadsibling

Very sorry you endured such awful treatment, everyone should be able to have their say.

& excellent reasons too, the fishing policy is terrible waste and within a year or two will be gone,
But Mays deal leaves us in a common fishing policy and we'll have to stick to any rules too, with zero say :( a vessel state!!!!

My view is that the UK gave away our fishing rights (as did many fishermen too) in return for eu concessions on things that matter to London, the same people will still be in power and will still fcuk over our fishing communities.

EU defence force is needed because Trump can no longer be relied upon to help Europe, he has changed the US view on NATO for years to come, whoever is in power.

Thank you @Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow.
I really struggled with `coming out' publicly'. I only admit it to a coterie of like-minded friends though oddly enough, found it easier to campaign in the street, perhaps because I was unlikely to bump into too many people I know.

I have so many friends who voted to Leave but admitted they dared not tell anyone. It's ironic when we live in a supposedly enlightened age.

1. this deal
2. no deal
3. remain

In the event that this deal was approved by Parliament and the EU 'no deal' wouldn't need to be an option. The 'will of the people' was to leave the EU, in a completely unspecified way. This deal achieves that and offering that option is all that's required as an option to not leaving. There wasn't much talk of 'no deal' at the time of the referendum after all. We were promised the easiest deal ever and that we could have full access to the SM after Brexit.

So the options should be:

1. Leave the EU under the terms negotiated on behalf of the people.
2. Remain in the EU.

That's true fishsea
I wonder if it'll happen. I think it's a fairer way of doing it, so that everyone knows what they are actually voting for.

1. this deal
2. no deal
3. remain

But we dont know what any of those options mean? So how is it any different from the first referendum? Sounds like it would just make things worse.

1. This deal doesn't explain what the future relationship with the EU will be.
2. Apparently no one knew what a no deal meant, whats changed?
3. Remain doesn't explain what the future relationship with the EU will be, will we have to make our army subservient to Germany's the EU's command, how much money will we have to pay to the EU, how many EU immigrants will we have to take?

A better question would be. As you have already voted to leave the EU, would you prefer to leave with this deal or exit onto WTO rules?

I know sadsibling. I did tell people in the end- like it was some dark secret - and many told me they couldn’t tell anyone. So all these people saying “none of my friends voted leave as they are all like meeeee” really have no idea!

I do laugh at social occasions now as people will still say “bloody leave voters” and usually i do own up. And then I get an incredulous look as if this cannot be so as I’m well educated and outward looking. But I have worked implementing EU legislation and think it’s partly why I hate it so much

I am on the same page as you. I find it utterly laughable that people see the EU as some liberal champion of the people instead of the wasteful and corrupt hegemony that it is.

What are wto terms?surely thats no deal, which you ve said is an unknown BUT its not because we ve a 100 plus gov papers on what it means.

Glad to see your obsession with Germany hasn't diminished.

The pivotal moment for me that symbolised why I voted to Leave was the appalling self-regarding conflagration on the Thames, led by arch Remoaner Bob Geldof and his well-off, liberal chums taking the piss out of fishermen from the comfort of his fancy boat. The very same fishermen who struggle to earn any kind of living at all as the EU decrees they can only keep a small amount of fish in UK waters (only 8% of cod for example).

I thought it was Farage who made a show of going on a boat on the Thames? That same Farage who was on the EU fisheries committee but only bothered to attend one out of 42 meetings, so keen was he to defend our rights. Just think what he might have done if he hadn't been more interested in propping up the bar in Brussels. Then again, it was Westminster who decided that if our fishermen sold their boats, they sold the quotas with it, allowing them to be hoovered up by one Dutch firm in particular.

The chances are that if we were to stay in and if, and it's a big if, there were to be an EU army, we would have been the ones to lead it. Either us or France, or sharing the lead. Either way, we've blown that now. But if ever the rest of the EU did decide they needed an army to protect themselves from threats from the East, I suspect we would ask to join.

It’s very interesting that this thread hasn’t been moved to the Brexit topic.

smilewhileyourheartisbreaking
What an excellent post. Thank you

Sadsblingatsea
Couldn't agree more and an excellent post.
Thank you

What are wto terms?surely thats no deal

As I said no one knows what ANY of these terms mean. Today's agreement only signals the start of the negotiations for the future of our relationship.

I voted remain and am still horrified by the decision to leave. I don't think leave types will have any regret until we actually leave and they see the state that their decision has left the country in....

@Mrsr8,
I'm not the one virtue-signalling my way to the sunlit uplands of the moral high ground. That is the prerogative of the Remainers, I thought.

I am a mere Neantherthal who can only dream of inhaling the same air as Nick Clegg, David Cameron, George Osborne and that most upstanding of politicians, Christine Lagarde (head of the IMF and convicted criminal) and `President' shurely shome mishtake, hic, Juncker; (once cruelly described as a dishonest, petulant egomaniac and loather of democracy) all of whom are so beloved to the bien pensant contributors to this fine forum.

But crooks and chancers aside, best to play the game not the man, eh?

No. Still 100% leave. I favoured a clean break, and still do. I'm horrified at today's proposal of a Hotel California deal where you can check out, but never leave.

Suddenly, lots of Leavers appear, again blaming the EU for problems caused by our own governments. Very strange.