Brexit -have you changed your mind??

[Leapfrog44]

I know Brexit has been done to death and I'm not asking for anyone's justification for wanting out or in.

I'm just really curious to know if any of the folks who voted leave have changed their minds (as is sometimes reported by the Guardian).

Nope, voted Leave in 2016 and would do so again.

Regulation and bureaucracy - I mean be able to determine what levels of corporation tax, financial regulation, employment legislation, who we make deals with, what type of foreign nationals we accept (we want skilled). Just a few examples, not bananas.

Dont understand why your average remainer is panicking about economic prospects outside EU but would vote Corbyn in in a heartbeat, who would really screw the economy.

Our young people will never forgive us for this. Take doctors and nurses for example. We’ve already forced them to pay for their own training. Now we are creating huge holes in an already overstretched workforce, while simultaneously removing their right to automatic freedom of movement and that of their children out of the uk. More than legal rights, it’s about message - and the message here is heard loud and clear - the social contract is broken. Just don’t expect uk-trained professionals to hang around in the uk after brexit. They don’t owe us anything.

You need evidence that Corbyn would screw the economy, similar policies in Germany, Norway, Sweden Etc don't seem to have screwed theirs.

Hyperbole and supposition - argument fail.

I don't for one minute believe any poster saying they would vote leave having voted remain is genuine.

Surferjet - I think hardcore Brexiters are the ones who have behaved appallingly. I was upset after the vote to be told by several people "you lost, we won, tough, shut up" or similar.

"Regulation and bureaucracy - I mean be able to determine what levels of corporation tax, financial regulation, employment legislation, who we make deals with, what type of foreign nationals we accept (we want skilled)"

We do have the power to set any coporation tax we want, within reason, but this is also covered in WTO rules.

Financial regulation will be down to what can be agreed with other parties, because finance is global, we won't be "setting" anything.

"Who we make deals with" - well we are looking to replicate all of the deals that the EU currently have, but will get worse terms.

"what type of foreign nationals we accept (we want skilled)"

Nope, the number of visas will be part of any trade agreement, again it will be agreed, not set.

"you lost, we won, tough, shut up"

Sounds like every leaver on here after the vote.

"we lost, you cheated, your thick, shut up and let us vote again until we get the result we want."

Sounds like every remainer on here after the vote.

You did cheat.

"let us vote again until we get the result we want." - what you mean exactly like the leave campaign since 1975? Bit hypocritical there eh?

I don't recall anyone being called thick, I remember people's reasons for voting leave, being criticized, this is different.

No, even if I have lost friends who were staunch remainers. What I don’t agree with is this wishy washy half way house. Just go out damn it

Before the vote, I thought the only certainty was that whichever side won would regret it. I think there are risks with the EU, around the developing extreme right and economic ties with countries that lack financial stability. However, I thought - and still think - this is outweighed by the impossibility of getting a good deal. We have less to offer the EU - or any trading partner - than they have to offer us. I didn't think we could unpick things without major economic turmoil and I still don't. I don't trust the ideology of our current government and I think handing them an economic crisis gives them scope to force through a lot of policies we don't want - further damage to workers rights, the welfare state, education and the NHS. So no, I haven't changed my mind. The breaching of the GFA is worse than not accepting a democratic result.

I think plenty of people voted leave for good reasons. I think the vote was tipped by the racist vote and that's shameful.

Any problems that are developing in the EU are not avoided by the UK leaving the EU. Any economic or political issues with our largest trading partner ( 3 times bigger than the next biggest) would cause issues here.

There were no good reasons for leaving.

There were no good reasons for leaving

Thankfully, 17 million people disagreed with you.

ooooh good come back, totally proved me wrong.

17 million people all voted out for different reasons, many of them conflicting, none of which could be achieved.

So 17 million people can be wrong, and were.

Oh yes sorry, I forgot all remain voters are up there with Socrates

Not all .

But they were better educated than the leave vote.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/30/facts-support-mps-claim-that-better-educated-voted-remain-pollster

I don't for one minute believe any poster saying they would vote leave having voted remain is genuine

See it all the time over social media and, vice versa, people saying they voted leave and would now change their minds. Like you I don’t believe any of them.

The main factor would be an increase in voter turnout by the younge remain demographic, and I genuinely think that this will happen. New voter registration and more leave than remain voters having died in the past 2.5 years is also a factor.

If all the chaos that's followed the referendum hasn't changed leavers' minds, there's no hope for them. Hopefully the younger generations will try to reverse this insanity in a decade or so.

I think there would be some people who changed their minds from remain to leave. Especially those who voted as a protest vote, or to kick the elites. I know those leavers on MN say that not many people did vote like this but its a very, very small % lead they have and it would take a tiny swing to change this.

But they were better educated than the leave vote.

There you go again, calling Leave voters 'thick'. Guess us 'thickies' should just kneel before our Superior overlords.

BorisBogtrotter

It’s the handwringing liberals who fought for the less well educated poorer people to get the vote.
If only the UK was all Tory eh? we’d still have only property owning men getting the vote.
The liberals, I bet they’re fuming, give the peasants some rights & they end up biting you on the arse.

I must say though, most remain voters only voted remain because that’s all they knew & were scared of change. They didn’t give their vote any more thought than the average leave voter.

I note on here, as in other places leave voters are loth to spell out their reasons for voting leave.

Its not calling people "thick" its a fact that graduates voted two to one to remain, and the rate of voting changed with the level of education.

I'd be glad to see 'rational good reasons' for voting out, although parroting 'sovereignty' and 'vassal state' are obviously discounted due to incomprehending overuse. So, what is there?

I really, really would like to see some good reasons for voting out.

No boris, you (and others) really really wouldn't. You don't want to actually listen to the reasons. All you want is a chance to pull it apart, and if there's an argument you can't pull apart, (there will be), you'll switch to nonsense insults.
Your responses (and others) haven't been encouraging proper debate, they are just condescending, patronising, criticising, or just insulting.
Over the past two years on these threads there have been umpteen good reasons to leave, which have been subjected to abuse.
People can't be arsed anymore.
Except for, I think it was OracleofDelphi on the first page, who either has the patience of a saint, or is new to these threads.