to think the hospital should have kicked them out a long time ago?!

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-daughter-live-hospital-15-13576615
21 year old woman and her mother have been living in a hospital room for 15 months!

Exactly Ginger.

Abandoned it? She had to go into hospital

They abandoned their fully adapted homeHelena. They had a tenancy for six months while they were in the hospital.

Helena, I know that as soon as the word 'council tenant' is mentioned you will blindly support that person to the death. But the people they are cheating and pushing back in the queue are also disabled and also homeless, how the hell would you feel if they pushed you back even though they had a fully adapted and available home just because they wanted it somewhere else?

I find it very difficult to understand you. As soon as somebody signs a council tenancy, you will fight for the death for them. If they're homeless and in temporary accommodation, you just shrug and walk away.

If you go on the homeswapper website there are hoards of people wanting to leave London but you need to be in the right place, usually other big cities where they have family, so Nottingham, Manchester.
The problem is that they live in Grimsby where nobody ever would want an exchange. It is a dead fishing town with loads of crime and no opportunities. I can see why they don't want to go back, but similarly, that isn't the NHS's fault.

AFIK Council tax reduction is totally separate from UC and so they wouldn't have pocketed the UC meant for paying council tax. More likely they weren't eligible for the CT benefit because they weren't living in the property.

steak, part of the direct payment of Universal Credit is intended to pay CT.

Oh really? Thanks.

ginger you really need to look at my posting history again if thats what you think.

im on this very recent thread objecting to assumptions being made about homeless people.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3420952-John-Lewis-homeless-advert

Helena I've noticed you around and you do post a lot of links/copy and paste relevant news. Is that because you are aware of it, say, professionally and are using it to demonstrate your points to others, or do you research in order to make your points?
Genuine question and you don't have to answer, I just see you take a similar standpoint on these topics but always post quite a lot as well. It's informative, I was just wondering. Hope that's ok.

Why the hell have Helena's posts been deleted? We are having a discussion, I have not been offended by a word she has said and can't see why her posts have been deleted.

Helena, I understand that you are a huge advocate of disabled rights in housing. I think that your posts on here do a huge amount to bring the difficulties disabled people when face when needing housing to light. I respect you for that.

But can you not see, when people like this play the system, it is other disabled homeless people who lose out?

Far more likely to be (yet another) failure of the system than the fabled greater spotted malingering benefits scrounger.

@Steakandkidney im aware of it (not professionaly as im a tenant and full time carer. What got me more engaged is when i watched a horrific situation unfold on Twitter in early 2015 involving an HA a contractor sub contractors and a tenant. ive got a thread on here about one of them.

Ive also watched things get steadily worse both pre and post Grenfell.

so its more as an engaged tenant really.

Joe Halewoods blog is very informative. Apparently a huge number of social housing tenants dont bother to vote.

and i do think the way private tenants are treated is bloody horrific but my knowlege and experience is more on the social housing side.

ginger to be fair i dont know much about Grimsby (where they are from) as im in North Essex.

Helena, funnily enough, the only people I know from Cleethorpes are a squad of African lads who have been brought over to train with the local football team. They are sweethearts. I don't think any of them would say Grimsby was pretty, but it is serviceable. There are nice people there and a strong community.

Ooops! Grimsby, Cleethorpes. All the same to me. It was definitely the football club in Grimsby though.

They are DARLINGS. I had my very small squad of children and was struggling a bit with them. These youth footballers got on and sat chattering away to them for an hour. Apparently they all had little brothers back in Africa, and they were so sweet to me. They wouldn't let me lift my pram up to open it or anything. I think they were Grimsby Town FC. They were so lovely.

id like a strong community we dont really have that here.

Yes, I agree with you there Helena. Housing problems in the South East, right to buy and buy to let have destroyed that.

There are people who really do try and preserve their communities down there, maybe you could get involved with that? I'm a Londonder who had to move up north because I was priced out. I empathise. It's difficult.

I do find it interesting that its tenants who are getting the blame while HAs sell off places as holiday homes.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3304710-Dispatches-Getting-Rich-from-the-Housing-Crisis

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/plymouth-properties-rooms-bcha-tenants-2218924?fbclid=IwAR3hqpOAO1squqb6sv6s7EZMAItDQsLS4841krSP3wVWABfhwZGKlg6-fOE

This story is local to me. The local papers have interviews with neighbours and the NELDC. Look at The Grimsby Telegraph and The Lincolnite. Broader perspec tive given than the Nationals.

Grimsby, Cleethorpes and surrounding areas are lovely and home to a lot of people. It's no more a dump that any other town.

Yes it is were the poorer, run down areas but there's re-generation going on.

5 mins by car and you are in the countryside. And judging by the number of Bentleys, and some house prices some are doing ok.

So degrade it all you want, but if you want a nice standard of living and decent house prices, (with garden/driveway) we are doing ok.