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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

... to think my boyfriend should pay rent?

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Passive1 · 12/11/2018 00:49

I haven’t been here for a long time, but I’m back because I need some honest advice.

I have been a single mother to my 5 year old son since I was pregnant. We live in a 2 bed flat in London and my rent/bills total approx £2,000 per month.

I am now in my first serious relationship since having my son. My boyfriend is a wonderful man but I’m getting resentful over money. Blush

For the last 2 months he has stayed with us almost every night, spending around 2 nights a month at his home (if I have been away). He left the military recently so is back at his family home, paying his mum a little rent but working for a full salary- he has no debts or large direct debits, just a phone bill.

While he’s here I cook for him, wash his clothes, he borrows my car etc. and I continue to pay for everything and do everything around the house (which is fine because I’m very particular about food and my flat.)

However, the money is a problem. It is becoming such an issue for me that I’m losing sleep. I’ve raised it 3 times this week; most recently tonight, I said earlier today “we need to have a serious conversation about whether you’ve moved in, and if you have we need to do things more fairly because I’m paying for the car, the fuel, the rent and everything in the flat and that’s not fair if you’re using it as much as I am”. He said “I agree”.
I just brought it up again and all he said was “I said I agree”.

AIBU here? Am I a cow for thinking he should have offered already, and since I’ve been so up front, should he not have come up with some suggestions/ figures?

To rebalance this, he is a really good man, he’s started helping more around the flat and he came food shopping today (I paid) but this will end the relationship if it’s not resolved. He isn’t tight with his money in other ways, he takes us out for dinners, buys treats on the way home etc. but this is pretty fundamental.

Please (gently) tell me if I’m being unfair - after all, I’ve been paying it all for the last 5 years. If you do think he should contribute, how much? Just the “extra” he costs, which is maybe £200 a month, or a proportion of the rent/utilities too?

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StoppinBy · 12/11/2018 21:10

He is totally failing to see that he is choosing to pay for 'extras' that you otherwise would not have chosen to buy or pay for yourself.

Paying for obligate expenses like housing, electricity, gas and essential foods is in a different category to paying for luxuries and unless agreed upon by the couple one partner choosing to pay for luxuries does not negate the need for them to pay for essentials.

He is obviously hurt about the way this has gone and is being very defensive which is to be expected but a person who actually thought it was reasonable to pay their own way in life would not have reacted like that when they have had a week to think about it - I can understand if someone reacted badly off the cuff but he has had time to think about it and has come to the conclusion that the financial situation is fair, sorry to say it but I also think that this is a case of, plenty of other fish in the sea, it's time to throw this one back.

Hadenoughofallthis · 12/11/2018 21:19

I think there's a fair bit of over-reaction on this thread. OK, so this guy has been taking the piss, financially. The OP has called him out on it and he's reacted badly. She's decided it's a deal-breaker. Job done.

Don't think it quite warrants all the stuff about him being abusive, needing to lock the doors tonight, getting a friend round in case he turns up and is aggressive, wondering if he's somehow abusing her ds because of the way he's holding his hand in a photo.

GreenTulips · 12/11/2018 21:26

Hadenoughofallthis

I think there are a lot of wise woman on here who can spot an abusive man a mile off.
The were a team - the abusive texts - the all me text 'look what I bring' 'you should be grateful'

Abuse escalates quickly when they dint get their own way

ThatOneHurt · 12/11/2018 21:27

Totally agree Hadenoughofallthis there thrive on the drama here. A simple fall out and break up isn't enough for some. Hmm

Bluntness100 · 12/11/2018 21:30

because of the way he's holding his hand in a photo

He's not holding his hand though is he?

And that's why most parents have reacted to it. They way he's holding the kids arm.

But it's irrelevant, I agree your main point no need to jump to he's going to be physically abuse the op or whatever. The likely hood is he will try to plead his way back in and either justify his behaviour, make her feel like shit, or agree to pay and negotiate as low as he can. Whilst making her next argument she needs him to set up a dd.

As usual most folks are sceptical it's over. Too much time on mumsnet, when women let men treat them badly and don't walk away at a time their future selfs would thank them.

Didsomeonesaybunny · 12/11/2018 21:30

I be irked with the fact he didn’t offer. I definitely think he needs to contribute. He’s basically living there so he needs to contribute and I’d say more than £200

WowCrabby · 12/11/2018 21:33

Please tell me this wasn't taken on Sunday?? A true serviceman who is proud to have served would not rock up to Remembrance looking like he was meeting a mate for a beer!!!!

Really 🙄 I couldn't disagree more. He may be a prick but he's dressed smartly enough. I think it's pompous to suggest he isnt a 'true serviceman' because of what he is wearing.

combatbarbie · 12/11/2018 21:52

Seriously jeans and trainers??

Every single picture on my FB from my veteran friends is shirt and trousers, usually with a blazer or dress jacket......

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 12/11/2018 21:58

This is textbook stuff isn't it.... A bloke who thinks his 'contribution' is of treats equates to boring bills...

cstaff · 12/11/2018 22:00

Op is all ok. Have been following this thread today which you have been updating regularly but haven't heard for a while.

Aridane · 12/11/2018 22:04

Where are the pictures??

BerylStreep · 12/11/2018 22:05

I've worked with military over the years, and IMO because they only need to pay mess fees they never really get the exposure of being a proper grown up with bills.

That's the charitable explanation. Loads of military guys boast to each other about being cocklodgers.

NoFucksImAQueen · 12/11/2018 22:06

wow the picture went quick I didn't even see it. hope it goes ok op

Graphista · 12/11/2018 22:07

He's using your child & your supposed 'weak parenting' as a fucking deflection to avoid discussing what the REAL issue is.

AND I suspect he's done this as you've possibly verbalised doubts about your parenting - which ALL parents have especially us single mums. To USE that to try and disrupt your emotions and distract you is unforgivable.

Bastard! Bin! Completely out of fucking order!

He's basically saying shite single mums have been hearing for years - "you should be grateful I'm even dating you as you've the 'baggage' of a child I have to put up with"

As for his next text where he's trying to make out he's "mr generosity" bullshit! I'd reply to that "and you've cost me £X in extra food, Gas&elec, petrol, pay per view boxing, loans that were never repaid..." Hit him with the hard facts of his "generosity"! Freeloading dick!

Glad you kept yourself right legally - but that is another expense you've incurred (extra 25% council tax how much is that?!) that he's not paid for!

Children do push boundaries at certain points it's not always useful to come down hard on that its part of natural development of independence. (Something frankly that your boyfriend seems yet to develop!)

Xenia are you reading a different thread to the rest of us?! I'm guessing you're not nor have been a single mum either. You seem to be saying that because op is a single mum she should just be grateful he was "willing to take on her and her child" and should accept such dreadful behaviour and attitude from him! Well here is news for you (and him) it's not the 60's any more where single mums are "damaged goods" who come "with baggage" who should be grateful if any man shows an interest! AND she should pay £££ for the privilege? I think not!

HE feels sick? That'll be the nausea due to his free ride coming to a sudden unexpected halt!

"What do I owe you?" Great! Take him up on this. At a CONSERVATIVE guess even NOT inc the council tax increase I estimate he owes you at least £1000! (£80 borrowed and not repaid, £20 boxing he never paid for, extra food, gas, electric, petrol, cleaning products, toiletries...) add the extra council tax and I dread to think what it comes to!

Oh and send him a list of all the times/places you went out where YOU paid!

He's been PLAYING at being a grown up. Actual grown ups know that the boring day to day costs of bills need to be paid fairly and are part of life!

You're right - he was living off you!

Half-heartedly "offering" rather than just bloody doing it is NOT the same as being an adult and paying your way!

A REAL adult man doesn't even offer - he just pays it! That's reminded me - my ex (army at the time) for whatever else I say about him when we'd been dating a few years and I had a flat near his barracks and he was staying over 3-4 nights a week never "offered" he'd just top up the meter, buy a WEEKLY shop (usually some extra treats in it too), give me £10 for my weeks transport to work on a regular basis. Enough that it worked out he was definitely paying his way - and he rarely let me pay on a night out then either.

"I offered" is pathetic!

"He’s referring there to my clothes/handbags/shoes which he makes a big fuss about. This has been on my mind all day." Which YOU Paid for with money YOU earned! None of his damn business how YOU spend YOUR money!

"according to him the most elite of the forces" aye right! Not how they're viewed by others btw - all brawn no brains more like! I once worked in a role that meant I was administrating matters across all the branches of the military and had to do so in such a way as "acknowledged the correct hierarchy" problem was EVERY branch thinks theirs are the best and they take priority. Flaming nightmare! The mistake many of them made was in thinking that as a civilian I knew nothing about the ranks/hierarchy - except I do as one side of my family all military - mostly army but a few in other branches too. Plus it was my job! So I was well acquainted with the ranks. So some argy sergeant trying to make out he was a "high ranking officer" who should be deferred to in ignorance of the needs of higher ranking soldiers soon got short shrift (plus in equivalency terms although I was civilian I outranked him!)

Ferrier - I'm guessing you're a navy/marines person or previous dependent of?

You're right that ex-military face difficulties in adjusting to "civvy st" but generally it's the longer serving ones, or those that have been injured/made ill by their service. That's why there's "resettlement" courses they're offered at the end of service and given access to welfare officers to find out certain things and get assistance eg with job and house hunting. Plus as you say charities that do similar work.

But there are some things that are just this guy being a dick! And attacking op's parenting and what she spends HER money on are just 2 of them.

Single serving in single accommodation (barracks - but essentially it's like a house share, when my ex was in he had his own room, which also contained a sink. Some have a small shared kitchen with basic equipment. Shared bathroom/shower facilities, communal living room - which was rarely used. Now many include en-suite bathroom but not everywhere yet it's changing gradually - and of course officer accommodation is being modernised first) pay rent (which includes ALL utilities and council tax - actually a payment "in lieu" of council tax but basically it's covered), food (which they get at the mess) - it's HEAVILY subsidised and the food is substantial and good quality. As I said upthread, basically when they get their pay (which is not bad for a single guy) it's theirs to spend, essentially disposable income.

Re when on op's - they still pay for accommodation & food because they are still being housed and fed! Albeit somewhere else. They get extra allowances to cover extra costs of being away to cover things like extra communication costs, travel, any costs incurred as a result of being away supposedly (not necessary in my opinion).

BUT if he wanted to know how much water, electric, gas, council tax, rent, food, cleaning products, toiletries etc cost HE COULD HAVE ASKED! He didn't even necessary need to ask you! He could've looked up averages for your area online (I believe zoopla holds data on average running costs by postcode) or even asked his mum what her costs were to get an idea. And of course he could have asked you.

Then you could easily have sat down with him with copies of your bills or even bank statements to show him "here's what X y z costs" I agree with perhaps him not paying toward direct costs of your sons, but really there's no reason other than miserliness not to go at least halves on everything else.

"No - what he wants is for his nice cushy little number to continue" totally agree

Knittedfairies- oh I hope he works with mners! If he's even suggested his actions are at all acceptable I'm fairly confident they'd put him straight!

And frankly - if his life in the marines was so great why did he leave? Or did he not have a choice?

I'd actually be tempted to send one last text - "this is me doing you a genuine favour. Ask your mum how much it REALLY Costs to have you living with her - and pay it! Also get your own place and learn to be an adult with adult responsibilities for bills & maintaining a home"

"Fuck that. Don't underestimate what it takes to be a 100% lone parent who works full time and is totally self sufficient." AbsoBLOODYlutely

Gemini69 · 12/11/2018 22:10

blimey limey

BerylStreep · 12/11/2018 22:13

I'm still reading through the thread, so forgive me if it has been raised. Do you actually want him to move in?

I was going out with a guy in the army when I was mid twenties, and basically I came home from work one day to find all his stuff in my house ConfusedHmm

I had never asked him to move in and we had never discussed it. He used my car as if it was his own too, and never made any contribution. I was basically too nice and naive.

Please don't be hoodwinked into him moving in without a proper conversation about it, especially since you have a 5 year old child.

Jux · 12/11/2018 22:28

My experience is that someone ex-Forces will at least put on a suit for Remembrance Day.

cstaff · 12/11/2018 22:34

@berylstreep are you sure it wasn't the same bloke. Sounds just as cheeky as this fucker.

Purpletigers · 12/11/2018 22:39

Go out for dates and send him home at the end of the evening . I’d want more commitment from him before I’d be letting him move in .

Maelstrop · 12/11/2018 22:41

Strikes me as someone who will not leave the OP alone. He appears absolutely unaware obtuse of the norms of the whole 50/50 nature of a normal relationship. Be careful, Passive.

TeeniefaeTroon · 12/11/2018 23:02

Please tell me this wasn't taken on Sunday?? A true serviceman who is proud to have served would not rock up to Remembrance looking like he was meeting a mate for a beer!!!!

I went to our village remembrance yesterday with my DH and grandad, both ex-servicemen and both in smart but casual clothes. Are you saying that they're not true servicemen? They both fought for their country but they're not true servicemen because they weren't suited and booted? Get a grip @combatbarbie

TeeniefaeTroon · 12/11/2018 23:03

Bold fail, the first paragraph was supposed to be in bold.

BerylStreep · 12/11/2018 23:20

Oh Blush things have moved on a bit. I'm sorry to read that, but he does seem to be showing his true colours. I don't know how you could ever get beyond knowing he resents your son and criticising your parenting. Your poor DS has probably been playing up because this cocklodger is always around in his house.

Are you sure he was in the marines? I've heard guys bullshit all the time that they were in the marines or the SAS.

itsjustnotrightthough · 12/11/2018 23:35

A little bit gobsmacked at some posters trying to make excuses for him such as 'army life', doesn't realise how much things cost and the best - you need to 'train' him.

FFS -set your bar higher those commenting as above - It's really quite tragic how some women make excuses for what is clearly an absolute piss taker. You're worth more than that sheesh

Hi OP - sending an unmumsnet hug - you've called him out on his leech ways and he's spat the dummy now his freebie lifestyle is no more. You're admirable - a woman bringing up her son alone, working, studying for a degree and recognising a CF when she sees one - High five - you're awesome x

BerylStreep · 12/11/2018 23:39

Hadenoughofallthis I'm not so sure that posters are overreacting by telling op to be careful. I hope nothing happens, but op should be careful just in case.

My experience with my cocklodging army guy was that I stopped on the way home with my male colleagues for a quick drink after work as we were just finishing before Christmas. It was literally for 1/2 a pint. Cocklodger was furious and went out and got completely smashed. He then drove to my house where he rang the doorbell and screamed through the letterbox for four hours. I sat in the house in the dark pretending I wasn't in. He then climbed on to a porch roof and started to try to smash his way in through my bedroom window. At that point I phoned 999. Even typing this I can still vividly remember the feeling of being scared to move or even breathe in case he heard me and absolutely every nerve ending bristling with fear.

Self absorbed narcissistic users don't generally react well when things don't go their way. He stalked me for the next 5 years. I moved house to get away from him, and I was still getting mail from him 10 years later at the old address.

Anyway, don't want to make it a merail, but I don't think it is necessarily over the top advice to tell op to be careful, even though I sincerely hope there is no drama.

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