Would you really say this women has to pee in the mens toilets?

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There is so many threads on mumsnet about how transwomen should not be allowed in womens bathrooms because of the threat of attack ect. KNow I have someone very close in my family who is transgender (FTM) they pass as a man easily, so when these threads come up i always relate them to him, if he was to walk into a womens bathroom people would think it was extremly wrong, but thats what people are suggesting because hes chromosones say hes a women. I do understand the argument of a transwomen who dosent pass as a women atall to no use the womens toliets, but it seems to me that people seem to think that evrey transwomen wont pass. SO attached i have a picture of a youtuber who is trans, would you really see her be put in a mens toliets, that wouls surely plass her in a lot of danger.
Or do you think she should still use the mens. I'm genuilly intrested. Ive name changed recently and done another thread on a simal topic that got no replies. I just want to see were your argument lies

Rat youre just being goady now.

Suggesting males with long hair and plastic tits are women is genderist.

Saying humans are sexually dimorphic and we can see the differences between sexes, is not.

So women must look like women and men must look like men, or else you're all just asking for trouble, right?

No, a woman is a woman. And a person with a penis is a man. A man should be in the men's toilets.

Rat youre just being goady now.

Suggesting males with long hair and plastic tits are women is genderist.

Saying humans are sexually dimorphic and we can see the differences between sexes, is not.

Every single statistic points to safety not being a valid concern in regards to toilets.

Oh, so transwomen are not at risk in men's toilets. Good to know.

I didn't say sex workers go for a certain look. I meant men pretending to be women do.

I think you struggle with understanding things.

That group look like Transwomen to me

That's just incorrect.

Yeah, BeefTomato, it's not. I'm well aware of those stats. They don't say what you think they do.

Over the whole country over a whole year there were 120 incidents in unisex facilities.

Do you know how tiny that is?

There were only 14 incident in single sex facilities. But do you know why that's completely useless information and totally misleading?

I'll tell you. Because these incidents happened in pools and leisure centres, where a lot of changing can ONLY be mixed sex, and there is NO OPTION for single sex! Family changing cubicles being the big one! There is no way of knowing if this tiny number of incidents would have been preventable with single sex facilities, because the chances are high that they happened in facilities that could ONLY be unisex!

So what tiny proportion of this tiny proportion of sexual assaults that could have been prevented with sex segregation do you think couldn't have been prevented with, you know, better doors and locks?

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Oh, so transwomen are not at risk in men's toilets

I don't know whether they are or aren't in real terms, but I guess it doesn't matter in my mind, because why would a woman be using the men's?

I think you struggle with understanding things

you can be totally assured that I don't!

120 people sexually assaulted is a tiny number?

How many abused women amd children is the right number?

120 people sexually assaulted is a tiny number?

How many abused women amd children is the right number?

Suggesting males with long hair and plastic tits are women is genderist.

If that's why I thought they were women it would be genderist.

And anyone who thinks it's why they aren't women is also a genderist.

That's kind of the thing with genderist.

*genderism

I’ve never been on a hospital ward that wasn’t mixed sex apart from when I had my children and you would only ever find biological women on maternity wards anyway. Women whether they were born that way or trans who are in shelters are the victims of abuse not perpetrators and any staff working with vulnerable women will be dbs checked reducing risk.
Prisons of all places have the facilities to isolate and restrict any offenders who are considered a risk to other inmates for whatever reason. Do you think that prisons should be segregated by race so that people don’t have to share with people who have committed racially motivated violence? Or would you expect people at risk from those offenders to be kept safe within the prison?

sHe should go to the unisex toilets that transactivists should be campaigning for businesses and councils to build.

So thinking people with penises is Genderist?
No, it’s being a realist

120 people sexually assaulted is a tiny number?

The same article points out the there were 46 sexual assaults in single sex areas.

So apparently that's the number you're happy with, right? You're happy for 46 women and children to be abused?

Do you see how ridiculous that is??

Of vourse 46 is 46 too many.

So how do we reduce that? Were they assaulted by females, or males forcing their way into female spaces?

I don't know whether they are or aren't in real terms, but I guess it doesn't matter in my mind, because why would a woman be using the men's?

A transwomen would be in the men's, due to the fact that they are men?

Why would they need to be in the women's is more the question, if the men's are totally safe?

Bumsex how many women were assaulted by Hambrook in a female refuge?

Or Karen White in a female prison?

You cant tell us it wont happen when it keeps happening.

So how do we reduce that? Were they assaulted by females, or males forcing their way into female spaces?

Well quite. If that statistic is to be useful you really need to know the answer to questions like this, as well as whether or not the unisex facilities in which the incidents happened even could be made single sex. Because if they couldn't - family changing, for example - the whole bloody thing's moot!

Now you are back Rat, can you explain what fundamental changes a man goes through when he says he is a woman, to make him suddenly become no threat to women. Thanks.

And if you’re saying someone ‘looks like a sex worker’ and using it as an insult then you are obviously implying that they have ‘a look’ and not a good one. And you are a feminist when it suits you.

Attacks obviously do happen. And I suspect they would also happen if biologically male trans people were in male prisons - though they would more likely be the victims.
Surely the answer is to ensure violent offenders aren’t able to carry out attacks in men’s or women’s prisons.

Would you really say this woman has to pee in the ladies?

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison